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Greatest race comeback ?

Mike Die

Greatest race comeback ?

by Mike Die » Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:16:33

What in your opinion is the greatest race comeback of all time . I
thought I read somewhere where a driver came back from a lap or 2 down
at the ring in the 60's ?
Colin Harri

Greatest race comeback ?

by Colin Harri » Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:44:31

he managed to get a lap back when the pace car came out ;-)

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Colin
ICQ 25485061

Mike Eppe

Greatest race comeback ?

by Mike Eppe » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:02:34

I believe you may be referring to Jim Clark's charge at Monza in 1967. Clark
had to pit to have a punctured tire replaced, and that put him a lap down.
He then charged through the field, breaking the lap record more than once.
Clark took the lead and looked untouchable, until he ran out of fuel on the
last lap. Clark came in third, with Surtees taking the win and Brabham in
second. To this day, many consider this to be Clark's best race ever.

--Mike

Txl

Greatest race comeback ?

by Txl » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:08:27

Prost started from the pits in 87 or 88 at Spa and finished 2nd, that was
something to do in "modern" age technology, I think they didn't have fuel
stops then, just tires...

Anyway, it was a nice race to watch.



> he managed to get a lap back when the pace car came out ;-)

> --

> Colin
> ICQ 25485061


> > What in your opinion is the greatest race comeback of all time . I
> > thought I read somewhere where a driver came back from a lap or 2 down
> > at the ring in the 60's ?

Careful with that axe, Nic

Greatest race comeback ?

by Careful with that axe, Nic » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:46:21

Ricky Rudd, Martinsville '98.  Allthough it really wasn't a comeback, the
conditions he was racing under sure suggest he was fighting something
back.

Nick


> What in your opinion is the greatest race comeback of all time . I
> thought I read somewhere where a driver came back from a lap or 2 down
> at the ring in the 60's ?

POWER POST 20

Greatest race comeback ?

by POWER POST 20 » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:06:27

Bill Elliot lost two laps at Daytona or Talladega once.  He got his
two laps back and went on to win without any caution flags.

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:46:21 GMT, "Careful with that axe, Nick"


>Ricky Rudd, Martinsville '98.  Allthough it really wasn't a comeback, the
>conditions he was racing under sure suggest he was fighting something
>back.

>Nick


>> What in your opinion is the greatest race comeback of all time . I
>> thought I read somewhere where a driver came back from a lap or 2 down
>> at the ring in the 60's ?

Neil Rain

Greatest race comeback ?

by Neil Rain » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:36:08

What about Barrichello at Hockenheim last year?

He started 18th on the grid and ended up winning the race, albeit with a
combination of extreme good fortune (loony on the track deprived Mclaren of
a 25-second lead, then it started raining on one half of the track but not
the other, and Mclaren made a bad decision on the tyres).

I still think it's pretty amazing to come from that far back in F1 to win
the race!

nobod

Greatest race comeback ?

by nobod » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:47:01

I think Juan Manuel Fangio did somethig like that at Nurnburg ring
once, although the details escape me rigt now.

Aah, a quick search on www.google.com revealed this:

(taken from http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/fangio_bio.htm)
In 1957 Juan-Manuel Fangio won one of his most famous races at the
German Grand Prix. Fangio both loved and was in awe of the Nurburgring
circuit but driving an under powered Maserati he managed to come from
behind and pass the two leading Ferraris. Passing Hawthorn by
"straight lining" one of the final curves he amazed his rivals with
his virtuosity.

And another description of that race:
(taken from http://www.pinasx.com/drivers/fangio/)

He bolted Ferrari in 1957 to rejoin Maserati, winning a 5th title with
such sublime performances as the German GP at the 187-turn Nrburgring
( pictured above ) where Fangio lost 56 seconds and the lead in a pit
stop, but returned to win by letting loose the most spectacular
pursuit of his life, bettering the track record for the 14.2 mile
Nordeschlifer ("North Ring") by an amazing 12 seconds on three
consecutive laps. Fangio said, "I believe that on that day in 1957 I
finally managed to master the Nrburgring, making those leaps in the
dark on those curves where I had never before had the courage to push
things so far."

Lars G.



Michael Barlo

Greatest race comeback ?

by Michael Barlo » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:49:09

    "Track Talk's" Chris Cosby mentioned last nite something about a driver
wining a race many laps ahead of the field. (correct me if I'm wrong) I
think he said the driver was quite a bit behind at one point.  BTW: you are
supporting a Sim racer by listening to his show, right?

    I like his concept of a talk show about autoracing and will continue to
support him by listening in.  Not to mention I've learned a few things in
the racing world by doing so.  I wish it was a show specifically and only
about Sim racing, but being a show about Real (hate that "R" word;-) racing
and has talked about Sim racing makes for a very informative mix.  I was
quite surprised when he was talking to the wives of a couple of Sim racers
last night by the support they give their husbands for Sim racing.  (damned
MacGreger is lucky as hell in more ways then one ;-).  I was also interested
in listening to the Sim racer that called in and talked about his real
racing he did at Daytona.


>What in your opinion is the greatest race comeback of all time . I
>thought I read somewhere where a driver came back from a lap or 2 down
>at the ring in the 60's ?

Mitch Alatorr

Greatest race comeback ?

by Mitch Alatorr » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:15:06

92' Sears Point.  Ernie Irvan on the pole but gets the black flag at start
of race for jumping.  Irvan goes on to pass the field (remember this is
sears in a stock car) and goes on for the win.

Mitch


>     "Track Talk's" Chris Cosby mentioned last nite something about a
driver
> wining a race many laps ahead of the field. (correct me if I'm wrong) I
> think he said the driver was quite a bit behind at one point.  BTW: you
are
> supporting a Sim racer by listening to his show, right?

>     I like his concept of a talk show about autoracing and will continue
to
> support him by listening in.  Not to mention I've learned a few things in
> the racing world by doing so.  I wish it was a show specifically and only
> about Sim racing, but being a show about Real (hate that "R" word;-)
racing
> and has talked about Sim racing makes for a very informative mix.  I was
> quite surprised when he was talking to the wives of a couple of Sim racers
> last night by the support they give their husbands for Sim racing.
(damned
> MacGreger is lucky as hell in more ways then one ;-).  I was also
interested
> in listening to the Sim racer that called in and talked about his real
> racing he did at Daytona.


> >What in your opinion is the greatest race comeback of all time . I
> >thought I read somewhere where a driver came back from a lap or 2 down
> >at the ring in the 60's ?

Neil Rain

Greatest race comeback ?

by Neil Rain » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:29:02


You're not kidding - if my other half could banish me to a shed to play GPL,
I think she would!

I basically only get to play when she's out!

Somehow "real" racing seems to have more sex-appeal!  ;-)

Larr

Greatest race comeback ?

by Larr » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:51:32

DE, at I think, Daytona when he did that 360 degree spin, never touched a
thing,  and proceeded to win the race.

It might have been Talladega.

Either way, it was masterful.

-Larry


john

Greatest race comeback ?

by john » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:51:02

Your thinking of Fangio , I believe afterwards he said he didn't think he
could ever drive to that intensity again ,
that it cost him too much.
Regards , John
See you at the 'Ring


Larr

Greatest race comeback ?

by Larr » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 03:04:31

One other...

Michael Waltrip at Bristol.  The fact that he even got in the car for that
race that weekend after absolutely DISENTIGRATING his original car in
practice.

This is the one where he hit that open-gap in the wall coming out of either
turn 2 or 4 (I forget which) and the car when from 120mph to 0mph in less
than a second.

That is the most incredible wreck I've ever seen.

I believe that car, or at least it's pile of bite-sized pieces, is on
display at the track.

-Larry


> DE, at I think, Daytona when he did that 360 degree spin, never touched a
> thing,  and proceeded to win the race.

> It might have been Talladega.

> Either way, it was masterful.

> -Larry



> > What in your opinion is the greatest race comeback of all time . I
> > thought I read somewhere where a driver came back from a lap or 2 down
> > at the ring in the 60's ?

Ed Solhei

Greatest race comeback ?

by Ed Solhei » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:32:17

Clark at Monza in 1967 and/or Fangio at the Nurburgring in '57

ed_


> What in your opinion is the greatest race comeback of all time . I
> thought I read somewhere where a driver came back from a lap or 2 down
> at the ring in the 60's ?


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