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Rally sim with snow condition?

GUCCIPHI

Rally sim with snow condition?

by GUCCIPHI » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Is there any rally sim out there with snow/ice condition but has excellent
graphics and physics?
ymenar

Rally sim with snow condition?

by ymenar » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Nope, none have excellent physics, but they all have the rest ;)

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David Butte

Rally sim with snow condition?

by David Butte » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Every rally game ever released has produced moans about its physics,
and until someone releases one of GPL quality at least, it'll always be
that way.

Pretty much all the games have snowy conditions - certainly Colin
McRae, Rally Masters and Rally Championship do. The last has the best
graphics, and, provided you download the patch, has the best physics as
well (there's even an .ini file you can tweak).

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: +19.68)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

GraDe

Rally sim with snow condition?

by GraDe » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00


RC 2000 is your man here Gucciphile (making the switch I see.....hehe)
The physics on this aren't brilliant but but it looks well and the car moves
somewhat realistically.

Rally Masters has snow too I think but I don't know how good this is, its a
nice option but I don't think its any better than RC2000.

Martin Urs

Rally sim with snow condition?

by Martin Urs » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00



        My first recommendation to you would be the excellent Rally
Masters.  If you can't obtain this title, then go for the older and
cheaper (but still fun) Colin McRae Rally.  Not sure what the status
is on CMR2 for the PC.  

        As for RC...  It has the best graphics of any rally game out
there, that's for sure.  Unfortunately, the physics on the loose stuff
(ESPECIALLY on snow and ice) leave much to be desired.  As a tarmac
rally game, it can be quite fun though.  

        As someone pointed out, there are no rally games with
"excellent" physics, but some certainly feel better than others.  

Martin
Long Live Nigel Mansell!

porsch..

Rally sim with snow condition?

by porsch.. » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00



Rally Masters, Sweden... great ! ;-)

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Marko Peri

Rally sim with snow condition?

by Marko Peri » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


>Pretty much all the games have snowy conditions - certainly Colin
>McRae, Rally Masters and Rally Championship do. The last has the best
>graphics, and, provided you download the patch, has the best physics as
>well (there's even an .ini file you can tweak).

   I haven't tried the first two, but if RC has the best physics, then the
other two must have close to no physics at all. RC, patched or not, had
woeful physics. It felt like I was driving a cardboard shoebox. The main
problem was that the car seemed to lack inertia. Everything else about the
game was excellent, so it was a real shame that its physics were lacklustre.
I will try the Rally Masters demo soon just to satisfy my curiosity.

Marko;

L_NiN

Rally sim with snow condition?

by L_NiN » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

It all depends on what you really want. I own both RC2K and Rally Masters
but not Colin McRae (as it was release in US more than a year after it was
produce and the graphics look like something from the atari compared to
these other two - both release before CMR in US.)

Anyway - if you are needing GPL physics you will be sadly disappointed
because nothing has it in a Rally sim.

If physics are your only bag, then Rally Masters has very plausable physics
(say its SPGT of rally sims) but it lacks depth. Short stages, minimal
setups, weak damage model, all cars feel the same and moderate graphics made
this game very enjoyable for the short hall...however, after the fun of
racing side by side in the 4 car SS wears off this game has little else to
offer because the sim part falls flat.

RC2K is the exact oposite - the FEEL* of the car is not as good (say its the
NASCAR 3 of rally sims) as Rally Masters but it makes up for a lot with the
sheer depth of this game. Very demanding and long stages (from 3 min -
18+min) with some of the best graphics around, a complex damage model, every
car has its own feel, great sense of speed, all sorts of conditions
(determined by the stage not by random), long indepth season and some car
tweaking in my book more than makes up  for the ok physics. However, almost
no attention was paid to the 2 player or arcade mode and it shows.

* (OPINION) I said car feel - because if you ask me the cars actually react
physically more realist in RC2K as a front wheel drive car should react,
however, the game just doesn't give you the right cues or something so it
seems a little flat or responsless - where as Rally Masters has that good
response and feel it gives you very loose physics - similar to powerslide or
something like that, where you can get your back end almost spun around and
still catch it - fun yes, real no.


Colin Harri

Rally sim with snow condition?

by Colin Harri » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

The perfect review, IMO...such a shame that RC cars don't seem right, or the
online play isn't good. With especially the former feature, it would be a
true challenging sim.
(still prefer it to RM, though...)

--
Colin Harris
ColinHarris in N3/NL & VROC
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> It all depends on what you really want. I own both RC2K and Rally Masters
> but not Colin McRae (as it was release in US more than a year after it was
> produce and the graphics look like something from the atari compared to
> these other two - both release before CMR in US.)

> Anyway - if you are needing GPL physics you will be sadly disappointed
> because nothing has it in a Rally sim.

> If physics are your only bag, then Rally Masters has very plausable
physics
> (say its SPGT of rally sims) but it lacks depth. Short stages, minimal
> setups, weak damage model, all cars feel the same and moderate graphics
made
> this game very enjoyable for the short hall...however, after the fun of
> racing side by side in the 4 car SS wears off this game has little else to
> offer because the sim part falls flat.

> RC2K is the exact oposite - the FEEL* of the car is not as good (say its
the
> NASCAR 3 of rally sims) as Rally Masters but it makes up for a lot with
the
> sheer depth of this game. Very demanding and long stages (from 3 min -
> 18+min) with some of the best graphics around, a complex damage model,
every
> car has its own feel, great sense of speed, all sorts of conditions
> (determined by the stage not by random), long indepth season and some car
> tweaking in my book more than makes up  for the ok physics. However,
almost
> no attention was paid to the 2 player or arcade mode and it shows.

> * (OPINION) I said car feel - because if you ask me the cars actually
react
> physically more realist in RC2K as a front wheel drive car should react,
> however, the game just doesn't give you the right cues or something so it
> seems a little flat or responsless - where as Rally Masters has that good
> response and feel it gives you very loose physics - similar to powerslide
or
> something like that, where you can get your back end almost spun around
and
> still catch it - fun yes, real no.



> > Is there any rally sim out there with snow/ice condition but has
excellent
> > graphics and physics?

David Butte

Rally sim with snow condition?

by David Butte » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Do remember, folks, that British Rally Cars are *front* wheel drive.
Don't expect them to feel like an F1 car or a BMW!

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: +19.68)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

David G Fishe

Rally sim with snow condition?

by David G Fishe » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

People rarely say what they think the cars should handle like, only that
"it's not right".

I don't think may people here have too good an idea as to how a fwd rally
car handles.

David G Fisher




> >Is there any rally sim out there with snow/ice condition but has
> >excellent graphics and physics?

> Do remember, folks, that British Rally Cars are *front* wheel drive.
> Don't expect them to feel like an F1 car or a BMW!

> --
> David. (GPLRank handicap: +19.68)
> "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> really."
> (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

ymenar

Rally sim with snow condition?

by ymenar » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Including you, excluding many.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Colin Harri

Rally sim with snow condition?

by Colin Harri » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

who rattled your cage?
 So the cars in any or all three of the aforementioned cars handle
correctly, do they? Rally cars, with a few obvious exceptions, handle no
differently than the street version, and so not at all like the versions
available in games at the moment. And, FYI, I grabbed a mate of mine,
ex-Lombard RAC 12th in class, to test them. Surprisingly, the best of the
bad bunch as far as he was concerned was CMR.

Not content with p**sing off the entire GPL crowd, you now turn your
attention to the new market of rallyers. Well done, David.

--
Colin Harris
ColinHarris in N3/NL & VROC
Remove "your knickers" to reply



> People rarely say what they think the cars should handle like, only that
> "it's not right".

> I don't think may people here have too good an idea as to how a fwd rally
> car handles.

> David G Fisher




> > >Is there any rally sim out there with snow/ice condition but has
> > >excellent graphics and physics?

> > Do remember, folks, that British Rally Cars are *front* wheel drive.
> > Don't expect them to feel like an F1 car or a BMW!

> > --
> > David. (GPLRank handicap: +19.68)
> > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> > really."
> > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

* Leon

Rally sim with snow condition?

by * Leon » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

RC2000 is great and those problems of
snow and dirts could be rectified with an
edit of the files

some adjustment by user and you
will get the FINEST rally game ever

too bad it did not have international course!!




> >Is there any rally sim out there with snow/ice condition but has
excellent
> >graphics and physics?

> My first recommendation to you would be the excellent Rally
> Masters.  If you can't obtain this title, then go for the older and
> cheaper (but still fun) Colin McRae Rally.  Not sure what the status
> is on CMR2 for the PC.

> As for RC...  It has the best graphics of any rally game out
> there, that's for sure.  Unfortunately, the physics on the loose stuff
> (ESPECIALLY on snow and ice) leave much to be desired.  As a tarmac
> rally game, it can be quite fun though.

> As someone pointed out, there are no rally games with
> "excellent" physics, but some certainly feel better than others.

> Martin
> Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Bendit

Rally sim with snow condition?

by Bendit » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00


>People rarely say what they think the cars should handle like, only that
>"it's not right".

>I don't think may people here have too good an idea as to how a fwd rally
>car handles.

     That may be true, but this argument certainly does not exonerate Rally
Championship's physics. There is a certain amount you can say about the
physics of a game without having driven the cars that are simulated in it.
Simple things like inertia and collisions when simulated poorly are evident
to anyone with an open mind.

Bendito;


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