rec.autos.simulators

by **Tony** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:36:49

Greets,
I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share
these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied
their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their
association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the
Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something
wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things
were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first
race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is
very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my
head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail
out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just
what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if
the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the
many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the
stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice
made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just
not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the
sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws
us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells
within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to
know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that
they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of
all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get
through this together.
Later,
Tony Long

by **David W. Lon** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:11:19

You must have never really been a "true" NASCAR fan... I have been attending
NASCAR events since 1978 one year before Earnhardt started the series...
This tragedy has always been present... I will not "Quit" watching because
we have faced the inevitable... Dale would not have "Quit", I assure you...
Sure, the sport has taken a big blow, but somehow, I don't think Dale would
really want to retire the #3... NASCAR will survive this... Dale Jr. will
run this weekend to honor his father and his fathers wishes, we should take
heed to his message and continue on... Dale would want it that way...

Let's Honor Dale by keeping the #3 on the track... That's where it belongs,
on the track!!!

Rest in Peace Dale and God's speed

Dave Long

by **Tim** » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:15:02

Fox didn't cause Earnhardt's crash. I didn't get to see the entire
broadcast, but I was pretty impressed with Fox's work on the race.
They had lots of in car cameras, and a cool, sweeping camera that
followed the cars down the track from the infield.
I was expecting the worst from the commentators based on Fox's
over-done football coverage, but thought they did a good job.

Tim

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:36:49 GMT, Tony

>Greets,
>I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share
>these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied
>their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their
>association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the
>Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something
>wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things
>were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first
>race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is
>very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my
>head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail
>out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just
>what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if
>the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the
>many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the
>stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice
>made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just
>not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the
>sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws
>us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells
>within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to
>know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that
>they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of
>all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get
>through this together.
>Later,
>Tony Long

by **ArcLigh** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:11:25

Coverage would be ok if:

1. They'd get Waltrip to talk less.

2. Eliminate that nauseating banner/ribbon across the screen during
coverage.

Arc

> Fox didn't cause Earnhardt's crash. I didn't get to see the entire
> broadcast, but I was pretty impressed with Fox's work on the race.
> They had lots of in car cameras, and a cool, sweeping camera that
> followed the cars down the track from the infield.
> I was expecting the worst from the commentators based on Fox's
> over-done football coverage, but thought they did a good job.

> Tim

> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:36:49 GMT, Tony

> >Greets,
> >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share
> >these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied
> >their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their
> >association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the
> >Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something
> >wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things
> >were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first
> >race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is
> >very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my
> >head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail
> >out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just
> >what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if
> >the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the
> >many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the
> >stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice
> >made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just
> >not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the
> >sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws
> >us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells
> >within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to
> >know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that
> >they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of
> >all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get
> >through this together.
> >Later,
> >Tony Long

by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:46:48

I think you are full of crap. But anyway, does anyone know if Fox picked
up the F1 season again this year? I haven't heard a word about who
is televising F1 in america.

--

by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:51:15

because

Agreed. Lets not forget, that Dale was blocking and really took
the risk himself. He put many people in the wall himself in his
carreer. I firmly beleive that if he were racing for real instead
of blocking, he would not be dead.

As for the #3, who in the hell would drive it?

--

> we have faced the inevitable... Dale would not have "Quit", I assure
you...
> Sure, the sport has taken a big blow, but somehow, I don't think Dale
would
> really want to retire the #3... NASCAR will survive this... Dale Jr. will
> run this weekend to honor his father and his fathers wishes, we should
take
> heed to his message and continue on... Dale would want it that way...

> Let's Honor Dale by keeping the #3 on the track... That's where it
belongs,
> on the track!!!

> Rest in Peace Dale and God's speed

> Dave Long

> > Greets,
> > I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share
> > these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied
> > their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their
> > association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the
> > Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something
> > wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things
> > were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first
> > race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is
> > very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my
> > head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail
> > out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just
> > what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if
> > the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the
> > many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the
> > stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice
> > made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just
> > not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the
> > sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws
> > us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells
> > within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to
> > know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that
> > they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of
> > all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get
> > through this together.
> > Later,
> > Tony Long

by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:52:04

Fox was not the problem last sunday at all.

--

> Fox didn't cause Earnhardt's crash. I didn't get to see the entire
> broadcast, but I was pretty impressed with Fox's work on the race.
> They had lots of in car cameras, and a cool, sweeping camera that
> followed the cars down the track from the infield.
> I was expecting the worst from the commentators based on Fox's
> over-done football coverage, but thought they did a good job.

> Tim

> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:36:49 GMT, Tony

> >Greets,
> >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share
> >these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied
> >their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their
> >association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the
> >Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something
> >wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things
> >were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first
> >race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is
> >very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my
> >head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail
> >out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just
> >what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if
> >the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the
> >many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the
> >stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice
> >made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just
> >not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the
> >sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws
> >us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells
> >within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to
> >know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that
> >they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of
> >all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get
> >through this together.
> >Later,
> >Tony Long

by **rik anthra** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:36:32

and at least they didn't hire buddy baker. now those of us outside of
alabama can actually understand the commentary.

> Fox didn't cause Earnhardt's crash. I didn't get to see the entire
> broadcast, but I was pretty impressed with Fox's work on the race.
> They had lots of in car cameras, and a cool, sweeping camera that
> followed the cars down the track from the infield.
> I was expecting the worst from the commentators based on Fox's
> over-done football coverage, but thought they did a good job.

> Tim

> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:36:49 GMT, Tony

> >Greets,
> >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share
> >these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied
> >their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their
> >association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the
> >Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something
> >wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things
> >were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first
> >race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is
> >very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my
> >head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail
> >out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just
> >what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if
> >the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the
> >many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the
> >stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice
> >made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just
> >not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the
> >sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws
> >us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells
> >within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to
> >know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that
> >they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of
> >all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get
> >through this together.
> >Later,
> >Tony Long

by **fistyc..** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:36:02

they should not retire the #3 they should leave it as it is.did they
retire the #7 because alan died?r the #28 because davie died?these
guys were great drivers also they should leave it as it is stick a
driver in there and go race that's what dale would have done thatswhat
he would have wanted .the show must go on

by **Ryan** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:18:50

To my mind, the #3 in NASCAR is like the #99 in Hockey, or the Bulls #23 in
Basketball. Other drivers will not go near that number for a long, long
time.

by **Michae** » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:13:23

>Greets,
>I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share
>these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied
>their way into the F1 spotlight

bullied??? huh?? Money talks.

Here we go again, everyone knew that the crazies were just looking to jump
on that. Geeez, get original.

No they weren't, coverage sucked and attendance has plummeted to around 40%.
Do you know what you are talking about?

What's clouded? What's surreal? A race, someone died, and there will be a
race next weekend and we will all watch it, no matter what station carries
it.

You need to stop thinking; bail out? Everyone will be there next week, want
to bet on it? Except DE, of course.

You sound like a wussy ***, hopefully you.

It's not about fans like you.

Geez, you finally figured that out, what a rocket scientist you are.

Holy shit!!! Are you some strugling sad ass poet? Nascar empire??? What the
*** are you talking about?

Good!!!! Thank God and while you're not going to follow the series anymore,
don't post here while you're at it.

Holy shit!!! Go die somewhere!

No, it seems that it definitely dwells in you though - sicko!!!

Actually, you offend in general but most of all you offended yourself.

Of course, they only have a limited amount of numbers worth having.
Gladiators??? You are a fag aren't you?

Get through what, you sick ***ing DE worshiping piece of shit. Had it been
Gordon who died last week, you wouldn't be such a wuss puss, you'd probably
be hoopin and hollerin, you true faggy self has shown itself, now follow in
your leaders footsteps and kill yourself.

DE had it coming and so do you!

by **Michae** » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:18:54

>> As for the #3, who in the hell would drive it?

>To my mind, the #3 in NASCAR is like the #99 in Hockey, or the Bulls #23 in
>Basketball. Other drivers will not go near that number for a long, long
>time.

You really are funny.

You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in
baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76 or
so. Do you know how to read? Gordon has about 1/3 the starts of DE yet has
2/3 the wins, that's twice as better. In 6 years he made 2nd all time in
money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the
comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots!

by **Phillip Malphrus, Jr** » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:24:40

well, I think Fox's coverage is excellent ...
I dont live and die by what imperfect people say anyway though so maybe I am
the one messed up but I dont think so. If they get the car number or name
wrong, so what? I know who's driving what so it don't matter. It's a LOT
better than espn or anyone else in my opinion based on the things that are
important to me. Last year at this race there were commercials every 6-8
laps. Sunday, it was more like 14 to me. That's is an example of what is
important to me ...

Phillip

by **Ryan** » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:14:57

Since I do not read this group much, I don't know if you are a known troll
or not, but your post makes no sense to me.

What I tried to say was that a hockey player would not want to wear #99 in
the NHL, because of the history of the number, and likewise a Chicago Bulls
player would not wear #23. I think this will happen with the #3 in Nascar,
if it is not retired.

I have no idea what your #24 compared to #3 in baseball argument is all
about.

by **Wosc** » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:56:08

The wreck didn't take DE's life, it was FOX!

JB

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