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Dave Henri

CART @ Montreal

by Dave Henri » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:22:40

"EldredP" >
  going from 'fuzzy' memory:
    (I think it was)Nigel's first Indy...he led for much of the race...the
Newman Haas Lola(fords?) were the Speedway chassis/engine combo to beat that
year.  Dennis Vitolo was one of those underfunded privateer dreamers who
hocked his house and all his belongings for a shot at Indy.
    There was a caution, most of the field pitted.  As they were exiting the
pits on that narrow pit lane between turns one and two...Vitolo put a wheel
off and began to spin...he hit a car, possibly Nigels, and when the rotating
tires rolled together Vitolo's car got catepulted on top of Mansell.  I
beleive one of the car's radiators was also damaged and 'ol Nige got a
burned ***in the process
    (maybe not PERFECT but it should give you the gist of the incident.)

dave henrie

jason moy

CART @ Montreal

by jason moy » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:16:56



I hope not.  As Frank has pointed out elsewhere, the track model for
Montreal is horrible in both sims.

Jason

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jason moy

CART @ Montreal

by jason moy » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:26:08



I like Michael's quote after the last race, when he was discussing his
fastest lap.  I can't find the exact quote, but he noted that he was
just cruising around bored about 4 seconds off the pace before asking
Todt what the lap record was, breaking it, and settling back.

If Schumacher can finish second while driving the F-2002 a full 4
seconds off his limit, I really hate to think of what next year is
going to be like.  

Jason

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Goy Larse

CART @ Montreal

by Goy Larse » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:49:46

"David Powell

Sorry, I don't buy the Country thing, I've met quite a few Germans over
the years and none of them have been arrogant ***s in MS's league,
or at least the way *I*'ve seen him on and off the track

Quite the opposite actually, I've even been invited to people's homes
having never met them before, several vacations in Germany and a couple
of business trips really hasn't shown anything of that, polite and
correct and perhaps a little "cold" at first, but once I've convinced
them I'm not from England I've never had any problems :-)

I'm not kidding actually, back in 96 my brother and I took my old Opel
Manta down to Germany to visit Herr Mantzel and the other nice people at
Mantzel Opel Tuning, and we needed a hotel room or two for three days,
the first place where we asked we were told the place was full, and when
we asked if he knew any other hotels that had any rooms he said they
were prolly full as well, there was a convention in town

So I turned to my brother and asked what he wanted to do, in Norwegian,
I'd been speaking English with hotel guy as my German isn't all it could
have been, and then the guy behind the counter suddenly said

"Oh, you're not English, where are you from ?"
"Norway"
"Wait a couple of minutes and I'll arrange a room for you at a hotel
nearby"

You could have knocked me over with a feather, sure enough, 5 mins later
we had rooms at a B&B/hotel within walking distance of Herr Mantzel's
workshop, good price too, we just had to reassure the landlady we
weren't English by showing our passports when we checked in, but then
again us Norwegians have always gotten along very well with Germans,
except for a few years back in the 1940's :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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Eldre

CART @ Montreal

by Eldre » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:39:45



>    There was a caution, most of the field pitted.  As they were exiting the
>pits on that narrow pit lane between turns one and two...Vitolo put a wheel
>off and began to spin...he hit a car, possibly Nigels, and when the rotating
>tires rolled together Vitolo's car got catepulted on top of Mansell.  I
>beleive one of the car's radiators was also damaged and 'ol Nige got a
>burned ***in the process
>    (maybe not PERFECT but it should give you the gist of the incident.)

Oh, I remember that NOW.  There was a camera on Nigell's car, and we got to see
that replay...<g>

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jlohma

CART @ Montreal

by jlohma » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:14:53

More of the same? Do you not feel the Ferrari has been dominate this year?

jlohma

CART @ Montreal

by jlohma » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:19:36

"> Yes it is the same track. JPM pole was 1m12.836s.  Today's da Matta pole
was

Thats all good, but what I really find impressive is Yoong's qualifing time
was 1m17.347, still 2 seconds faster than the fastest CART car.

David Powel

CART @ Montreal

by David Powel » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:05:07

I think unless Michelin sort there act out, it will be more of the same, the
other chassis makers on non bridgestone tyres are having a hard time atm.
There not good enough to match ferrari anyway, but the tyres to do the job
would help.

P.S they were only 4secs of the max pace at after the last stop when the
hold station call was made. Before than only 0.6 ish off the one lap MS made
to show off near the end, also you forget they had been easy on the tyres
for the whole last stint, so Micheal was well setup to try a blinding
fastest lap. If he'd been racing at full pace before the lap, the tyres and
temps etc would have dicated a more normal speed :)


David Powel

CART @ Montreal

by David Powel » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:07:41

it was the outlap....

the only time a driver needs to make adjustments in a qual lap is adjust the
BBias forward for faster turns, then if hes schumacher, adjust back again
for maximum entry attack for the slow turns.


> If you saw the in-car camera shots of Michael doing his qualifying lap
then
> you saw true talent.  Not only did he drive a very quick lap, he was
playing
> with the knobs on his steering wheel the entire time.  I doubt I would
have
> even stayed on the road at highway speeds if I had been trying to adjust
> that many things at once.



> > I didnt say he had the upper hand though did I, simply saying he managed
> to
> > outqual him which is true, but Montoya needs to, quote "realise a GP
> weekend
> > is more than a banzai lap on Saturday".

> > The guy is still somewhat of a mystery to me, Im really getting the
> feeling
> > hes not as good as he's made out to be, anyone watching any of this
years
> GP
> > races will remembering him cracking, and falling of the road, or coming
> > together with 90% of the people hes raced wheel to with, the last race
> being
> > a perfect example of him losin his head, then losing the track, then
> loosing
> > most the aero package on the car. Brazil/Nurburgring/Hungary all results
> > lost due to basically letting his will take control of his mind.

> > The guy has the speed, but thesedays in F1 more than ever with software
> > systems and huge ammounts of telemetry and technically advanced nature
of
> > the whole thing, more like NASA than a motorracing series, you also need
a
> > brain, I sadly feel the poor guy is rather lacking in the later. He'd
have
> > made a class act when balls where the main requirement to going fast
> though,
> > like the 60's, 70's and 80's but today being highly intelligent and
> getting
> > the most from the car is more important than your ability to withstand
> fear.

> > Maybe this reflects more on his success in Cart, less technology etc,
more
> > get in and drive.

> > Hes also very very up and down, and has bad days alot of the time
compared
> > to ralf, if Montoya were truely the great star of the future, he wouldnt
> > crack under pressure would have learnt after two races the way to hold
> > someone behind in F1 is simply drive 100% normally,and after 4-5years of
> > competition in two of the highest series on earth, also he wouldnt have
> bad
> > days. Youd never see Schumacher having a day bad as bad as Montoyas,
even
> in
> > the late 90's when he wasnt in the best machinery an awful day seemed to
> be
> > 3rd.

> > Micheals second "full" season was a WDC championship, albeit in nearly
the
> > best machinery in the field, but williams was clearly faster with the
less
> > talented Damon Hill, which offers the conclusion that the Benetton was
no
> > Williams. Even in a second year the signs were there. Signs I don't see
> with
> > Montoya, I do on occasion, like with Hakkinen the genius is there, just
> can
> > he use it all the time like someone called Michael.

> > I await the next 2-3years before I feel I could make a final sumup of
> > Montoya.

> > Rakkionen on the other hand is proving himself greatly this year, just
> > unluckly all those BMW enduced DNF's.





> > > > But youd really expect that at "national" level huh....

> > > > Like montoya, button, rakkionen, massa all out qualling more
> experienced
> > > > teamates in there first year, adding R Schu and N Heidfeld are no
> second
> > > > raters, isn't about 10-15laps to find the very limit at the level
> > expected
> > > > from an F1 driver, unless you pay to drive that is :)

> > > JPM wasn't even close to RS in last year in qualifying. RS
outqualified
> > him
> > > in 11 out of 17 races, usually by a half second or more. When JPM
> > > outqualifed him, it was by a hair.

> > > Needed a better sim.

> > > This year it's 7-6 in favor of JPM, although RS outqualifies JPM by
more
> > on
> > > average, has a faster average qualifying time, and a faster average
race
> > lap
> > > time.

> > > David G Fisher


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