lap time differences.
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Tim Doyle
TDRacin? Online
VRW Team Owner
www.VirtualRacingWorld.com
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Tim Doyle
TDRacin? Online
VRW Team Owner
www.VirtualRacingWorld.com
I believe it's exactly the same.
They're about 5s a lap slower if you compare first practice for CART with
first practice for F1.
( 1:15.4 vs 1:20.5) - a hell of alot better than I thought they'd do
Doug
Did anyone else hear this?
TP
I have of quite alot them do it, I heard Massa had learnt every F1 track
with F1 "sims" you can buy in the shops.....
> Did anyone else hear this?
> TP
> > Is the track layout the exact same as when F1 runs there? Curious to
see
> > lap time differences.
> > --
> > Tim Doyle
> > TDRacin? Online
> > VRW Team Owner
> > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com
I have heard quite alot of the them do it....
> I have of quite alot them do it, I heard Massa had learnt every F1 track
> with F1 "sims" you can buy in the shops.....
> > I'm watching the qualifying session on Speed Channel at the moment.
They
> > just interviewed Pat Patrick (I think it was him, could have been their
> team
> > manager though) and he said that driver Oriol Servia had " gotten a hold
> of
> > some good simulation stuff, and has practiced on his computer at home"
the
> > Montreal track and was "completely comfortable with the car and track -
> the
> > very first time we rolled it off the truck yesterday." Wow......I would
> > guess that meant he used F1-2002 (or 2001) for this?
> > Did anyone else hear this?
> > TP
> > > Is the track layout the exact same as when F1 runs there? Curious to
> see
> > > lap time differences.
> > > --
> > > Tim Doyle
> > > TDRacin? Online
> > > VRW Team Owner
> > > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com
Two weeks ago, we got a call from Tyler Radavich at World Motors Sports, Inc
in Southern CA. Their driver, Alex Figge wants us to build a simulator for
him to train on over this winter, using one of their wrecked Toyota Atlantic
tubs. There was a time when this call would have floored me. Now, its
becoming somewhat routine....although I still get e***d about them when
they happen. How did Tyler hear about us? He told me that a Sparco rep had
told him about seeing Jeff Gordon and Robby Gordon running in our simulators
at Sears Point two years ago! Wow....word of mouth is very powerful stuff!
TP
> I have of quite alot them do it, I heard Massa had learnt every F1 track
> with F1 "sims" you can buy in the shops.....
> > I'm watching the qualifying session on Speed Channel at the moment.
They
> > just interviewed Pat Patrick (I think it was him, could have been their
> team
> > manager though) and he said that driver Oriol Servia had " gotten a hold
> of
> > some good simulation stuff, and has practiced on his computer at home"
the
> > Montreal track and was "completely comfortable with the car and track -
> the
> > very first time we rolled it off the truck yesterday." Wow......I would
> > guess that meant he used F1-2002 (or 2001) for this?
> > Did anyone else hear this?
> > TP
> > > Is the track layout the exact same as when F1 runs there? Curious to
> see
> > > lap time differences.
> > > --
> > > Tim Doyle
> > > TDRacin? Online
> > > VRW Team Owner
> > > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com
TP
> Did anyone else hear this?
> TP
> > Is the track layout the exact same as when F1 runs there? Curious to
see
> > lap time differences.
> > --
> > Tim Doyle
> > TDRacin? Online
> > VRW Team Owner
> > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com
Surely with time this will develop further.....
Making a sim from a car nice idea, seen some mockups at hyperstim in holland
(full scale BMW Williams) I must say I'd just buy a hyper as it means I dont
have race in the garage each night :)! or dismantle the thing to take it
about....
> Two weeks ago, we got a call from Tyler Radavich at World Motors Sports,
Inc
> in Southern CA. Their driver, Alex Figge wants us to build a simulator
for
> him to train on over this winter, using one of their wrecked Toyota
Atlantic
> tubs. There was a time when this call would have floored me. Now, its
> becoming somewhat routine....although I still get e***d about them when
> they happen. How did Tyler hear about us? He told me that a Sparco rep
had
> told him about seeing Jeff Gordon and Robby Gordon running in our
simulators
> at Sears Point two years ago! Wow....word of mouth is very powerful
stuff!
> TP
> > Its nothing new....jacques villeneuve used GP2 to learn the GP tracks
> prior
> > to his arrival in F1.
> > I have of quite alot them do it, I heard Massa had learnt every F1 track
> > with F1 "sims" you can buy in the shops.....
> > > I'm watching the qualifying session on Speed Channel at the moment.
> They
> > > just interviewed Pat Patrick (I think it was him, could have been
their
> > team
> > > manager though) and he said that driver Oriol Servia had " gotten a
hold
> > of
> > > some good simulation stuff, and has practiced on his computer at home"
> the
> > > Montreal track and was "completely comfortable with the car and
track -
> > the
> > > very first time we rolled it off the truck yesterday." Wow......I
would
> > > guess that meant he used F1-2002 (or 2001) for this?
> > > Did anyone else hear this?
> > > TP
> > > > Is the track layout the exact same as when F1 runs there? Curious
to
> > see
> > > > lap time differences.
> > > > --
> > > > Tim Doyle
> > > > TDRacin? Online
> > > > VRW Team Owner
> > > > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com
Like montoya, button, rakkionen, massa all out qualling more experienced
teamates in there first year, adding R Schu and N Heidfeld are no second
raters, isn't about 10-15laps to find the very limit at the level expected
from an F1 driver, unless you pay to drive that is :)
I suppose slow learners should have been weeded out before top level
competition as this would be a failing that would hinder there ascent
through the ranks. At least thats the case in the cut and shut nature in
which motorsports here are run, very few second chances unless your wallet
can help you.
There are some tracks new guys stuggle with in F1, but these are generally
heavily curbed tracks, which require a very specific ride over. Sometimes
takes em two visits (years) to find the sweet spot schumachers been wacking
over for the last 10years....
> TP
> > I'm watching the qualifying session on Speed Channel at the moment.
They
> > just interviewed Pat Patrick (I think it was him, could have been their
> team
> > manager though) and he said that driver Oriol Servia had " gotten a hold
> of
> > some good simulation stuff, and has practiced on his computer at home"
the
> > Montreal track and was "completely comfortable with the car and track -
> the
> > very first time we rolled it off the truck yesterday." Wow......I would
> > guess that meant he used F1-2002 (or 2001) for this?
> > Did anyone else hear this?
> > TP
> > > Is the track layout the exact same as when F1 runs there? Curious to
> see
> > > lap time differences.
> > > --
> > > Tim Doyle
> > > TDRacin? Online
> > > VRW Team Owner
> > > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com
TP
> Like montoya, button, rakkionen, massa all out qualling more experienced
> teamates in there first year, adding R Schu and N Heidfeld are no second
> raters, isn't about 10-15laps to find the very limit at the level expected
> from an F1 driver, unless you pay to drive that is :)
> I suppose slow learners should have been weeded out before top level
> competition as this would be a failing that would hinder there ascent
> through the ranks. At least thats the case in the cut and shut nature in
> which motorsports here are run, very few second chances unless your wallet
> can help you.
> There are some tracks new guys stuggle with in F1, but these are generally
> heavily curbed tracks, which require a very specific ride over. Sometimes
> takes em two visits (years) to find the sweet spot schumachers been
wacking
> over for the last 10years....
> > They just "checkered" the qual session.......Servia is 6th!
> Yikes....never
> > been there before and trained on his sim at home! Wow!
> > TP
> > > I'm watching the qualifying session on Speed Channel at the moment.
> They
> > > just interviewed Pat Patrick (I think it was him, could have been
their
> > team
> > > manager though) and he said that driver Oriol Servia had " gotten a
hold
> > of
> > > some good simulation stuff, and has practiced on his computer at home"
> the
> > > Montreal track and was "completely comfortable with the car and
track -
> > the
> > > very first time we rolled it off the truck yesterday." Wow......I
would
> > > guess that meant he used F1-2002 (or 2001) for this?
> > > Did anyone else hear this?
> > > TP
> > > > Is the track layout the exact same as when F1 runs there? Curious
to
> > see
> > > > lap time differences.
> > > > --
> > > > Tim Doyle
> > > > TDRacin? Online
> > > > VRW Team Owner
> > > > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com
Mitch
> Two weeks ago, we got a call from Tyler Radavich at World Motors Sports,
Inc
> in Southern CA. Their driver, Alex Figge wants us to build a simulator
for
> him to train on over this winter, using one of their wrecked Toyota
Atlantic
> tubs. There was a time when this call would have floored me. Now, its
> becoming somewhat routine....although I still get e***d about them when
> they happen. How did Tyler hear about us? He told me that a Sparco rep
had
> told him about seeing Jeff Gordon and Robby Gordon running in our
simulators
> at Sears Point two years ago! Wow....word of mouth is very powerful
stuff!
> TP
> > Its nothing new....jacques villeneuve used GP2 to learn the GP tracks
> prior
> > to his arrival in F1.
> > I have of quite alot them do it, I heard Massa had learnt every F1 track
> > with F1 "sims" you can buy in the shops.....
> > > I'm watching the qualifying session on Speed Channel at the moment.
> They
> > > just interviewed Pat Patrick (I think it was him, could have been
their
> > team
> > > manager though) and he said that driver Oriol Servia had " gotten a
hold
> > of
> > > some good simulation stuff, and has practiced on his computer at home"
> the
> > > Montreal track and was "completely comfortable with the car and
track -
> > the
> > > very first time we rolled it off the truck yesterday." Wow......I
would
> > > guess that meant he used F1-2002 (or 2001) for this?
> > > Did anyone else hear this?
> > > TP
> > > > Is the track layout the exact same as when F1 runs there? Curious
to
> > see
> > > > lap time differences.
> > > > --
> > > > Tim Doyle
> > > > TDRacin? Online
> > > > VRW Team Owner
> > > > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com
JPM wasn't even close to RS in last year in qualifying. RS outqualified him
in 11 out of 17 races, usually by a half second or more. When JPM
outqualifed him, it was by a hair.
Needed a better sim.
This year it's 7-6 in favor of JPM, although RS outqualifies JPM by more on
average, has a faster average qualifying time, and a faster average race lap
time.
David G Fisher
The guy is still somewhat of a mystery to me, Im really getting the feeling
hes not as good as he's made out to be, anyone watching any of this years GP
races will remembering him cracking, and falling of the road, or coming
together with 90% of the people hes raced wheel to with, the last race being
a perfect example of him losin his head, then losing the track, then loosing
most the aero package on the car. Brazil/Nurburgring/Hungary all results
lost due to basically letting his will take control of his mind.
The guy has the speed, but thesedays in F1 more than ever with software
systems and huge ammounts of telemetry and technically advanced nature of
the whole thing, more like NASA than a motorracing series, you also need a
brain, I sadly feel the poor guy is rather lacking in the later. He'd have
made a class act when balls where the main requirement to going fast though,
like the 60's, 70's and 80's but today being highly intelligent and getting
the most from the car is more important than your ability to withstand fear.
Maybe this reflects more on his success in Cart, less technology etc, more
get in and drive.
Hes also very very up and down, and has bad days alot of the time compared
to ralf, if Montoya were truely the great star of the future, he wouldnt
crack under pressure would have learnt after two races the way to hold
someone behind in F1 is simply drive 100% normally,and after 4-5years of
competition in two of the highest series on earth, also he wouldnt have bad
days. Youd never see Schumacher having a day bad as bad as Montoyas, even in
the late 90's when he wasnt in the best machinery an awful day seemed to be
3rd.
Micheals second "full" season was a WDC championship, albeit in nearly the
best machinery in the field, but williams was clearly faster with the less
talented Damon Hill, which offers the conclusion that the Benetton was no
Williams. Even in a second year the signs were there. Signs I don't see with
Montoya, I do on occasion, like with Hakkinen the genius is there, just can
he use it all the time like someone called Michael.
I await the next 2-3years before I feel I could make a final sumup of
Montoya.
Rakkionen on the other hand is proving himself greatly this year, just
unluckly all those BMW enduced DNF's.
> > But youd really expect that at "national" level huh....
> > Like montoya, button, rakkionen, massa all out qualling more experienced
> > teamates in there first year, adding R Schu and N Heidfeld are no second
> > raters, isn't about 10-15laps to find the very limit at the level
expected
> > from an F1 driver, unless you pay to drive that is :)
> JPM wasn't even close to RS in last year in qualifying. RS outqualified
him
> in 11 out of 17 races, usually by a half second or more. When JPM
> outqualifed him, it was by a hair.
> Needed a better sim.
> This year it's 7-6 in favor of JPM, although RS outqualifies JPM by more
on
> average, has a faster average qualifying time, and a faster average race
lap
> time.
> David G Fisher
Granted though when monty has a bad one, he does indeed, last race he was
1sec behind. But also seems when Ralf has a bad one, Monty lets him have it.
Montoya has usually throw the race away by pitstop 1 anyway after a pole and
usually destroyed his car or taken someone with him (DC Nurb) so it all
levels out anyway :) Thats talking even after you think carefully about how
much effect the tyre situation has on the williams race performances.
> > But youd really expect that at "national" level huh....
> > Like montoya, button, rakkionen, massa all out qualling more experienced
> > teamates in there first year, adding R Schu and N Heidfeld are no second
> > raters, isn't about 10-15laps to find the very limit at the level
expected
> > from an F1 driver, unless you pay to drive that is :)
> JPM wasn't even close to RS in last year in qualifying. RS outqualified
him
> in 11 out of 17 races, usually by a half second or more. When JPM
> outqualifed him, it was by a hair.
> Needed a better sim.
> This year it's 7-6 in favor of JPM, although RS outqualifies JPM by more
on
> average, has a faster average qualifying time, and a faster average race
lap
> time.
> David G Fisher
> > But youd really expect that at "national" level huh....
> > Like montoya, button, rakkionen, massa all out qualling more experienced
> > teamates in there first year, adding R Schu and N Heidfeld are no second
> > raters, isn't about 10-15laps to find the very limit at the level expected
> > from an F1 driver, unless you pay to drive that is :)
> JPM wasn't even close to RS in last year in qualifying. RS outqualified him
> in 11 out of 17 races, usually by a half second or more. When JPM
> outqualifed him, it was by a hair.
> Needed a better sim.
> This year it's 7-6 in favor of JPM, although RS outqualifies JPM by more on
> average, has a faster average qualifying time, and a faster average race lap
> time.
Ralf may be the "smarter" driver of the two, for now, but I know at
least one important person who believes JPM to be "an outstanding
talent"
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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