rec.autos.simulators

by **Morris Jone** » Sun, 09 Dec 2001 23:46:16

I give up on getting a 30+fps in this game,
I have had it since the day it came out and play it every day and night and
love it. I have spent a ton of $$$ trying to achive 30+fps at the highest
detail all the time. Sure bymyself its 35-40.
I have just upgraded my 1.5ghz, Geforce 3 to a 1.9ghz, Hercules Geforce 3

OPENGL ,
sure I could turn off the AA and get some better but then it looks horrible
to me. Yes, I could turn down some detail but why should I have to with this
kind of machine. I have tried all kinds different drivers, none seem to make
any difference at all. I use rivatuner to overclock the card just a little,
and turn on the other advanced settings.

with AA on, I can barely get 22fps if I do this.

System Specs.

P4 1.9ghz
348meg of PC800 RDRAM
Soundblaster Audigy Platinum EX
Hercules Ti500 Geforce 3 , tried Herc, 21.81 and NVIDIA 21.83 no difference.

by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:01:54

Well, unfortunately, the AA is your fps killer, especially at those high
resolutions. Is kind of strange though; I don't run offline much at all,
but back of the pack at night Bristol, 43 car field, maxed out, I get 50-60
fps with a P4 1.4 rig and an MX 2, 32 meg card.
However, that's at 1280/768 with no AA.

-John

> I give up on getting a 30+fps in this game,
> I have had it since the day it came out and play it every day and night
and
> love it. I have spent a ton of $$$ trying to achive 30+fps at the highest
> detail all the time. Sure bymyself its 35-40.
> I have just upgraded my 1.5ghz, Geforce 3 to a 1.9ghz, Hercules Geforce 3

> OPENGL ,
> sure I could turn off the AA and get some better but then it looks
horrible
> to me. Yes, I could turn down some detail but why should I have to with
this
> kind of machine. I have tried all kinds different drivers, none seem to
make
> any difference at all. I use rivatuner to overclock the card just a
little,
> and turn on the other advanced settings.

1600x1200
> with AA on, I can barely get 22fps if I do this.

> System Specs.

> P4 1.9ghz
> 348meg of PC800 RDRAM
> Soundblaster Audigy Platinum EX
> Hercules Ti500 Geforce 3 , tried Herc, 21.81 and NVIDIA 21.83 no
difference.

by **Ian Bel** » Sun, 09 Dec 2001 23:56:43

Hi Morris, I thought that AA doesn't work at 1600X1200. Not the
supersampling method anyway, there just isn't enough ram to handle it. What
size is your screen if you need AA at this res.?

Ian
www.SimBin.com
For all your sim needs.

> I give up on getting a 30+fps in this game,
> I have had it since the day it came out and play it every day and night
and
> love it. I have spent a ton of $$$ trying to achive 30+fps at the highest
> detail all the time. Sure bymyself its 35-40.
> I have just upgraded my 1.5ghz, Geforce 3 to a 1.9ghz, Hercules Geforce 3

> OPENGL ,
> sure I could turn off the AA and get some better but then it looks
horrible
> to me. Yes, I could turn down some detail but why should I have to with
this
> kind of machine. I have tried all kinds different drivers, none seem to
make
> any difference at all. I use rivatuner to overclock the card just a
little,
> and turn on the other advanced settings.

1600x1200
> with AA on, I can barely get 22fps if I do this.

> System Specs.

> P4 1.9ghz
> 348meg of PC800 RDRAM
> Soundblaster Audigy Platinum EX
> Hercules Ti500 Geforce 3 , tried Herc, 21.81 and NVIDIA 21.83 no
difference.

by **Incubu** » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:07:23

Did you try D3D ?

> I give up on getting a 30+fps in this game,
> I have had it since the day it came out and play it every day and night
and
> love it. I have spent a ton of $$$ trying to achive 30+fps at the highest
> detail all the time. Sure bymyself its 35-40.
> I have just upgraded my 1.5ghz, Geforce 3 to a 1.9ghz, Hercules Geforce 3

> OPENGL ,
> sure I could turn off the AA and get some better but then it looks
horrible
> to me. Yes, I could turn down some detail but why should I have to with
this
> kind of machine. I have tried all kinds different drivers, none seem to
make
> any difference at all. I use rivatuner to overclock the card just a
little,
> and turn on the other advanced settings.

1600x1200
> with AA on, I can barely get 22fps if I do this.

> System Specs.

> P4 1.9ghz
> 348meg of PC800 RDRAM
> Soundblaster Audigy Platinum EX
> Hercules Ti500 Geforce 3 , tried Herc, 21.81 and NVIDIA 21.83 no
difference.

by **Joachim Trens** » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:29:22

Hi Morris,

have you switched Vsync off? I'd also switch Dynamic Highlighting off - an
option whose effect on overall image quality is questionable. Maybe set
Drawing Distance in mirror to 50%. I'd use 16 bit colour, as N4's graphics
are all 16 bit anyway I think, so going to 32bit will only slow the machine
down without getting any better graphics quality.

I can only speak from the Athlon side, but you should get fps between 50 and
90 with that both online and offline, with an average fps of around 60 I'd
say, with 3D sound and EAX enabled.

If not, maybe use only 2xFSAA, as that looks pretty good already at
1280x960. You might also disable 3d sound, but the Audigy is pretty quick (I
have one as well) and you shouldn't have to do that.

If you're really into image quality, have a look at the 23.10 or 23.11
drivers. On my system, they improved the image quality noticeably under
OpenGL.

Achim

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:55:41

You shouldn't look it like that. Some Effects are put in just
because they are possible, not to fit into todeys hardware strenght.
In lot of games thay put specular lightning. It brings little, and it is
hog for every system (I have GF2, don't know about GF3 though).
But who wants it, can have it. On the expense of few FPS, of course.
If I remember correctly, when I built a system that could run all
that GPL had to offer, GPL was allredy out of production. Lol

by **STP** » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:44:54

D3D is slower in N4 than OpenGL. He just has to suck it up and turn off FSAA
and ansiotropic(sp?) filtering if he has it on. Also make sure the draw
ahead and behind is not at 100%. At Daytona on the track by myself I get
over 90fps on an AMD 1.33ghz with a Radeon 8500, but in the race it varies
from about 28fps to 60fps.And I don't use FSAA either, but at least my
settings make for a playable game.

by **STP** » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:47:08

If you are using a refresh rate of 85hz on your monitor do you really need
over 85fps in any game? Vsync off causes tearing so I prefer to leave it on
myself.
I'd also switch Dynamic Highlighting off - an

by **Joachim Trens** » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:36:35

Hi STP,

I wouldn't recommend anything that doesn't work well for me. Vsync OFF
doesn't cause tearing on my setup.

The purpose of disabling Vsync for me isn't to get more than 85fps BTW. For
all I know (and tests on my systems seem to have confirmed this), Vsync ON
can reduce fps even when you're aiming at an fps lower than the vertical
screen frequency.

As I understand it, Vsync ON means whenever a new image has been drawn into
the graphics card's RAM and is ready for being displayed, the card waits
until the monitor has finished its current scan run before displaying the
image. If this happens often, I'd guess fps may drop quite a bit due to
these waits.

Maybe modern graphics cards handle this differently, so I won't insist that
the above still holds true, but theories aside, I've found that turning
Vsync OFF always and reliably increases the fps for me, even if it was lower
than the screen refresh rate anyway. Even on this GF3.

Achim

> > Hi Morris,

> > have you switched Vsync off?

> If you are using a refresh rate of 85hz on your monitor do you really need
> over 85fps in any game? Vsync off causes tearing so I prefer to leave it
on
> myself.
> I'd also switch Dynamic Highlighting off - an
> > option whose effect on overall image quality is questionable. Maybe set
> > Drawing Distance in mirror to 50%. I'd use 16 bit colour, as N4's
graphics
> > are all 16 bit anyway I think, so going to 32bit will only slow the
> machine
> > down without getting any better graphics quality.

> > I can only speak from the Athlon side, but you should get fps between 50
> and
> > 90 with that both online and offline, with an average fps of around 60
I'd
> > say, with 3D sound and EAX enabled.

> > If not, maybe use only 2xFSAA, as that looks pretty good already at
> > 1280x960. You might also disable 3d sound, but the Audigy is pretty
quick
> (I
> > have one as well) and you shouldn't have to do that.

> > If you're really into image quality, have a look at the 23.10 or 23.11
> > drivers. On my system, they improved the image quality noticeably under
> > OpenGL.

> > Achim

by **Dixiemand** » Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:45:11

Took me a long time to realize that all I had to do was hit the f key to turn
off frame rate on the screen. Hey if it looks OK to your eyes, don't worry
about numbers.

by **Vintoo** » Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:31:22

"sure I could turn off the AA"

Alright, this has to be one of the most stupid posts in the history of this
board. Morris whines and complains and moans and gripes because he can't get
more that 30 fps at the highest resolution with AA ON. Gimme a break. Turn
off the AA and run it at 1600 res. It should look fine and you would be very
amazed at what FPS you would get.

I swear, some people are just silly.

Vintook

by **The Other Larr** » Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:39:52

Can't fight AA...

Not sure why you don't think the quality is good. I run at 1280X1024 (AA
off, sync off) and push close to 100fps sometimes. Average is around 70fps.

And it looks very, very good to me.

Similar system. GeForce 3 Ti500/AthlonXP 1800+.

-Larry

> I give up on getting a 30+fps in this game,
> I have had it since the day it came out and play it every day and night
and
> love it. I have spent a ton of $$$ trying to achive 30+fps at the highest
> detail all the time. Sure bymyself its 35-40.
> I have just upgraded my 1.5ghz, Geforce 3 to a 1.9ghz, Hercules Geforce 3

> OPENGL ,
> sure I could turn off the AA and get some better but then it looks
horrible
> to me. Yes, I could turn down some detail but why should I have to with
this
> kind of machine. I have tried all kinds different drivers, none seem to
make
> any difference at all. I use rivatuner to overclock the card just a
little,
> and turn on the other advanced settings.

1600x1200
> with AA on, I can barely get 22fps if I do this.

> System Specs.

> P4 1.9ghz
> 348meg of PC800 RDRAM
> Soundblaster Audigy Platinum EX
> Hercules Ti500 Geforce 3 , tried Herc, 21.81 and NVIDIA 21.83 no
difference.

by **STP** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:57:52

Well, I'll try it on and off to check, but I do see tearing on the R8500
with it off.

by **Joachim Trens** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 04:24:28

Hi STP,

I used to see tearing on the V3-3000 in Flight Unlimited for example, and
also in GPL. But with the Geforce, luckily so far it has never appeared.

I am convinced, though, that tearing is a driver issue to a large extent.

Achim

> > Hi STP,

> > I wouldn't recommend anything that doesn't work well for me. Vsync OFF
> > doesn't cause tearing on my setup.

> Well, I'll try it on and off to check, but I do see tearing on the R8500
> with it off.

by **STP** » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:35:15

You are probably right because I never noticed tearing on a GF2 or GF3 with
Vsync off. Maybe it depends on the game too.

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