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The GeForce is here and supposed to ship in Sept.  3dfx's "Voodoo4" isn't
out til Xmas.

The "chip" is shipping to card makers in September. So you will see cards
themselves ship much closer to Xmas. The only punch Nvidia has beat 3dfx to
so far is the press release punch.

Kyle

The GeForce chips, what a lame name, are shipping in September, not video
cards. You won't see video cards using the chips until much closer to Xmas.
The press release is the only punch Nvidia has beaten 3dfx to so far.

Kyle

I highly doubt it.  Manufacturers will already have had reference boards,
"beta" chips, etc just like they did when TNT2 and TNT were released.  It
should be a relatively short turn around for boards to appear.  IF you read
the article, it says "The company expects the boards to be on retail shelves
by the end of September. " meaning that the company already has chips being
sent to manufacturers if its going to see boards on RETAIL shelves.

But nonetheless, its a really really dumb sounding name.

Let me know when they've fixed their OpenGL driver to work with the mirrors
in GPL.....

/ / Rolf

I'm able to wait for the better product... ;^)

l8er
ronny

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"I heard if you play the NT-4.0-CD backwards, you get a satanic
message."
"That's nothing, if you play it forward, it installs NT-4.0"

Well unless 3Dfx pull their fingers out of their arses and provide good
image quality and 32-bit colour then you don't have to, GeForce256 is the
better one. 3Dfx need to stop resting on their laurels and make a good
card that offers tomorrows tech because all the current ones do is offer
the same old same old but faster

M

Don't put the cart before the horse, my friend. =)  You don't even
*know* what specs are for the Voodoo4 card(besides T-buffering).
But from the looks of it, right now, 3dfx is out for *** this time.
I've got a hunch that *that* is why they are waiting until after nVidia
has released it's "Gefarce" card. =)

Dan

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Well I'm going on the last 2 generations of 3Dfx hardware. If you can spot
anything other than increased performance of essentially the same old piece
of kit then I'll be surprised. nVidia on the other hand have continually
raised the bar with each card they release. As you rightly say, we know
nothing about the Voodoo 4 yet but what we do know about the GeForce256
makes it sound like an excellent card.

Incidentally, here's what Carmack had to say about it:
"Nvidia's new geometry accelerated card with the funny name.
It is fast. Very, very fast. It has the highest fill rate of any card we
have ever tested, has improved image quality over TNT2, and it gives
timedemo scores 40% faster than the next closest score with extremely raw
beta drivers. The throughput will definately improve even more as their
drivers mature.For max framerates in OpenGL games, this card is going to be
very hard to beat. "

I suspect he knows what he's talking about.

Anyway, my point was unless 3Dfx change their previous gameplan of "same
deal but faster" they're going to start losing out.

M

I don't need tomorrows tech, I prefer today's tech that runs my current
AND older software the best. This was true with three generations of
3dfx cards
now, and I'm quite sure, the fourth will do the same for me...

l8er
ronny

--
"I heard if you play the NT-4.0-CD backwards, you get a satanic
message."
"That's nothing, if you play it forward, it installs NT-4.0"

Typical head in the sand attitude. The games that make use of Voodoo 3 and
provide a noticable improvement over Voodoo 2 SLI setup (which is now much
cheaper than the upper end of the V3 range) generally all also support D3D
and OpenGL and thus the next generation chipsets from nVidia, PCLabs etc.

If 3Dfx make a good bit of kit that will keep people going for the future
then great, but without at least 32-bit colour AND better image quality,
they're going to be left on the shelf.

M

The ability to push pretty pixels alone a hot seller does not make.

However, these video card wars sure keep those hostile ***agers
inside posting imflammatory messages about video cards that they only
know about through press releases and hype.

I'm telling you, whoever came up with the idea of harnessing the vast
hordes of the internet as a PR device had better be making a fat
sum...  

Did 3dfx start this?  Nvidia?  Rendition?  Who?

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You have a point there. =)  But in Scott Seller's(of 3dfx, but you
prolly already know that ;) interview yesterday, it sure sounded like
the Voodoo4--or whatever they're gonna call it--will be much, much more
than just a "juiced up Voodoo3".

He hinted texture compression,  along with the already announced T-
buffering, and whole slew of features that he "can't talk about until
next week".  And yes, it *will* finally support 32-bit rendering!!!  He
also sounds extremely confident that 3dfx's upcoming product will "blow
away" the GeeWhiz--or Gefarce, or whatever that nVidia card is called--
and shock the world. ;)  Should be exiting!!

regards,
Dan

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And I can usually wait 2-3 months, until I can buy the better product
for a lot cheaper.

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