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The odd narrow gate or bridge
             spices things up too, and I distinctly
             remember, when we first demoed the game, a
             member of the development team saying
             "that's my tree - everyone hits it first time
             around". ***ic git.

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David G Fisher

Personally I don't love it.

They hyped the game as saying they accurately modeled all the roads and
terrain of the Rally, yet they include those things just for the fun of
it... So it's one or the other ? I hate when they say both. And no David
it's not an attack to anybody, but cmon, they add that stuff "just for fun"
???

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

David G Fisher

Please what?  He asked a legit question.  On one hand they claim to have
accurately reproduced however many miles of BRC stages, the next they're
saying they added trees for fun.  What's it gonna be?  I also remember
reading an interview a good few months back with someone involved in the
development praising the track design tool.  They could playtest the layout,
and if they didn't like it they could tweak it for greater playability very
easily.  Surely if you're modelling stages that exist in the real world then
there's only one correct layout.

Again I ask you what specifically has improved since the demo.  The physics
are hugely flawed, the car drives badly, the wheel support is terrible.  When
are we going to get a full demo that's not just a graphics showcase?  I can
not wait to get my hands on a good rally sim, so -please- answer these
questions.

I am not a 'gamer', I'm a 'simmer'.  I've been ***ed to driving sims since
ICR1 and F1GP.  It's the only reason I own a PC.  Reviews from gamers mean
nothing to me - after all, they liked RAC which really was very
disappointing.  You are claiming that this is going to be the best sim out
there and I am hungry for more detailed reasoning. The attitude you sometimes
take when spouting the claims is sometimes suspect - that "It'll be the best
no matter what ras thinks" type of claim.  Not really the best way of selling
your wares slagging off the hardest core virtual racers in the world.
Despite what you may think, a lot of us do know what we're talking about.

Give me some feedback, baby.

Cheers

Mark
Reading, UK

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Before you buy.

:> > The odd narrow gate or bridge
:> >    spices things up too, and I distinctly
:> >              remember, when we first demoed the game, a
:> >              member of the development team saying
:> >              "that's my tree - everyone hits it first time
:> >              around". ***ic git.
:>
:> Personally I don't love it.
:>
:> They hyped the game as saying they accurately modeled all the roads and
:> terrain of the Rally, yet they include those things just for the fun of
:> it... So it's one or the other ? I hate when they say both. And no David

Ah, lighten up.  chances are I won't be visiting the actual stages any
time soon.  The fact that they used the survey maps means that there is a
realistic sequence of corners.  Good enough for me, and far better than
foot to the floor NFS tracks or Sega Rally.  The fact that they threw in a
few rocks, trees, Welsh sheep and attached farmers is absolutely no
problem for me.  the co-driver calls them out, and you deal with them.  It
adds to the sphincter pucker factor, and that's a good thing in a rally
game.  Until they can add dynamic spectators who do a lemming rush when
you're not expecting it, this is the next best way to keep you on your
toes.  Let's not get too ***about the whole accuracy thing.  The main
point is that the stages have the right corners, elevation changes and
atmosphere.

Stephen

While I'd go for accuracy over cryptically placed rocks and trees, I agree
that it's not a big deal.  I am more concerned about the 'tuned' nature of
the layout.  I wouldn't mind at all except that this is being hailed as "best
sim ever" and "stages accurately recreated". I'll see if I can find the
interview where some guy went on about the track design tool and report back
if I manage it. I'll repeat - I don't mind the courses not being accurate
except when I'm told that they are.  In other words I don't like broken
promises - there have been too many of them in simracing world.

Cheers

Mark
Reading, UK

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<snip>

As promised -

From interview with Richard Vanner, producer of RC, on GA-Sports:

"You also have to realise that we have created a huge stage editor too. This
tool allows us to be highly creative with the stages that we build, it let's
us do everything and play the game as we build (far quicker than creating a
level in say Lightwave, saving it out, running the game, testing it etc). We
can just press "p" and play the stage, and at any point of the stage."

Notice the words "highly creative".

Once again, I don't mind inaccuracies, as long as accuracy is not something
it's being sold on...

Cheers

Mark
Reading, UK

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That "simmer" argument always cracks me up, as if you're doing
something more noble. Such denial.
A "simmer" is a "gamer" with a cutting edge PC and $300+ in control
gee-gaws. Embrace the horror.

Tim

Sjoerd

I'm not at all a snob and appologise if that's how it sounded, but what I'm
trying to say is that I'm less interested in finding out what Rally
Championship is like from someone who is into V-Rally than I am from someone
who is generally 'into' what I'm into.  That's why I come here.  Of course,
I'll get a hundred different opinions, but they'll generally be more informed
(as opposed to "RC ROX!!"

I know that what I'm doing is playing games, I know it's not real life, but
the category of what I play generally comes under the heading of
'simulation'.

Let's get this straight once and for all:  I do not think myself any better
than a platform game playing ***.  I do not think that the genre of what I
play is any more noble or worthy than any other.  I know that all I'm doing
is killing time in front of a monitor and is generally not doing anyone any
good (other than allowing my wife to watch whatever she wants to watch on TV
and helping BT's profits along nicely!)

Am I clear?  One more time for the cheap seats.  I AM NOT A BETTER PERSON
THAN ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE I PLAY SIM-TYPE GAMES.

The guy who was my best man has a PSX, an N64 and a Dreamcast among his
console collection and loves playing those type of games.  Do I think he's a
moron?  No.  Do I have different tastes?  Yes.

Snobbery, and even worse being accused of being a snob f**ks me off BIG TIME.

Well done mr Fusion, you hit a nerve.

Mark
Reading, UK

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David I don't care if there is a tree or a rock here, I just want to know on
what side they are.  Do they continue with the hype they did on "WYSIWYG in
the stages in real-life.  Everything is modeled exactly", or do they
continue with "We've modeled a couple of challenges here and there to make
it more challenging, more of a fantasy on some stages".  I don't mind one or
the other, I just wish they wouldn't have a double-standard and hyping it on
both side, which makes one or the other false.

I just want to know what is it going to be ! :)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Exactly !

I don't mind a rock at this place, for me if that stage is fun to play,
fantasy or not, I'll be happy.  But please they have advertised it on both
side, claiming and hyping "Full accuracy of all you see", yet they also say
"highly creative" like you just said Mark.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I got the expression from that guy I said was my best man.  He was going on
about this skateboarding title on the DC, fantastic this, blah, blah,
amazing that, blah, blah (I yawn).  And there was I saying "You've got to
buy a wheel an play GPL online.  Fantastic this, blah, blah, amazing that,
blah, blah" (he yawns)
He was the one who came out with "You see. that's where we differ - I'm a
gamer, you're a simmer".  We both love our interactive entertainment, and
talk about it quite a bit, but it's not often we find ourselves liking the
same thing.  He also found it amusing that at the fact that the simpler his
games got, the more complex mine got.

Can we get along?  I like discussions, -hate- arguments.

TTFN

Mark
Reading, UK