rec.autos.simulators

by **Don Burnett** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:35:16

So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc etc.
Pretty broad statement don't ya think?

--
Don Burnette

> NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz and
> less than GEforce GTS...no comparison...

> > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall
on
> > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am
> > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have.

by **Don Burnett** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:53:38

It took you that long?
:)

--
Don Burnette

> All I can tell you is two days after I installed N4 . . . I uninstalled
NH.

> Jerry Morelock

> > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall
on
> > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am
> > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have.

by **Tim** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:56:07

betatester
:)

by **Cliff Roma** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:45:57

LOL, I uninstalled NH the day after I got done Beta Testing for it :)

> All I can tell you is two days after I installed N4 . . . I uninstalled
NH.

> Jerry Morelock

> > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall
on
> > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am
> > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have.

by **Alexpe** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:06:07

thing is, the***pit view is deadly accurate.

pez

> >I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall
on
> >the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am
> >wondering how much merit all the negative posts have.

> I had been driving a lot of Heat online, and at first I wasn't very
> impressed. It's different, but I found that if I unlearned some Heat
> things it's damn good. I thought it was more difficult to drive, but
> once I got the feel it was great. Different (and better) is the best
> I can describe. All kinds of stuff to tweak in the garage. I wasn't
> too impressed with the sound,***pit view is worse than bad, and the
> rearview mirror reminds me of a fishbowl - if I can see the barest
> glimpse of something in my mirror, he's on me. Driving it was great
> though, and I found the graphics a litte blocky (800x600) but really
> pretty awesome.

> Overall, my early impression is great, but a few mods would make it
> killer.

by **Roger** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:04:34

I was thinking the same thing .

by **chainbreake** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:07:21

Well, I would have uninstalled NH sooner, except I thought I already had. I
quit playing it right after the first patch was released, once I discovered
the patch didn't really fix anything that mattered much. I've been waiting
for the next patch ever since.

Looks Iike I'll be waiting a long, long time . . .

Jerry Morelock

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:48:05

Not really - there's a lot of talk here how N4 performs on different
systems. For one thing N4 doesn't seem to run nicely on a V3 card.
As I said, PIII500 V3 here.
I could upgrade my gfx card to a GFII, but I heard that that is not
much use on a system slower than 800mhz.
Yes, you can run N4 on a PII 266, but I'd like to run N4 with more
than 2 AI cars and with some graphic details on..

I'm -not- complaining that N4 needs such a high-end system, GPL hardly
run ok with a full grid on most pc's when it was released - but for
people with a lower-end system (OH MY GOD I have my PIII 500 for 6
months now and it's allready a lower-end system!!) NH can be a very
good alternative, simply because N4 is too demanding for lower-end
systems.

Andre

>--
>Don Burnette

>> NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz and
>> less than GEforce GTS...no comparison...

>> > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall
>on
>> > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am
>> > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have.

by **18pAC** » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 06:59:08

Why Yes Don, I Have!

> So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc etc.
> Pretty broad statement don't ya think?

> --
> Don Burnette

> > NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz
and
> > less than GEforce GTS...no comparison...

> > > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares
overall
> on
> > > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am
> > > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have.

by **Cliff Roma** » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:50:45

Wow, how many systems do you have? I would think that if you had that many
systems you would stop playing it on the 450 you said you were using below

> Why Yes Don, I Have!

> > So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc
etc.
> > Pretty broad statement don't ya think?

> > --
> > Don Burnette

> > > NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz
> and
> > > less than GEforce GTS...no comparison...

> > > > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares
> overall
> > on
> > > > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am
> > > > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have.

by **Don Burnett** » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:32:22

Fwiw,
I have a celeron 566 running at 850, and my GeForce2 MX card made a huge
difference for me over my V3000 card I had in previously.

--
Don Burnette

> >So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc
etc.
> >Pretty broad statement don't ya think?

> Not really - there's a lot of talk here how N4 performs on different
> systems. For one thing N4 doesn't seem to run nicely on a V3 card.
> As I said, PIII500 V3 here.
> I could upgrade my gfx card to a GFII, but I heard that that is not
> much use on a system slower than 800mhz.
> Yes, you can run N4 on a PII 266, but I'd like to run N4 with more
> than 2 AI cars and with some graphic details on..

> I'm -not- complaining that N4 needs such a high-end system, GPL hardly
> run ok with a full grid on most pc's when it was released - but for
> people with a lower-end system (OH MY GOD I have my PIII 500 for 6
> months now and it's allready a lower-end system!!) NH can be a very
> good alternative, simply because N4 is too demanding for lower-end
> systems.

> Andre

> >--
> >Don Burnette

> >> NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz
and
> >> less than GEforce GTS...no comparison...

> >> > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares
overall
> >on
> >> > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am
> >> > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have.

by **Don Burnett** » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:40:43

Nowwwww, you know you haven't :)
Look , I am an avid gamer who is pretty picky about how games look when
running them. I run N4 on a cheap ass Celeron chip ( 566), overclocked to
850, and a GeForce2 MX card. 128 mb of pc100 ram.
It is great on my system. No, I don't have world and detail on full, and no
I don't have draw ahead at 100%, and no I am not drawing 42 cars ahead.
However, I have it set about middle of the road, the sim is downright
gorgeous on my system, and I have very playable frame rates - averaging
around 35-50 fps depending on the situation.
Point being - Papy has scaled this thing to where it can be played on a wide
variety of systems. Folks should not be discouraged about buying the sim
unless they are really out of date on their system. Plus, I really like
knowing that when I finally part with some money and get that 1ghz chip and
new motherboard, that I will be able to raise the bar in the graphics
department in the sim and enjoy it even more.
I hate to think some lurkers might be reading what you stated below and
steer away from getting N4 being afraid of it not running worth a crap. It's
an awesome sim , and know what? It has a money back guarentee. Sure, it
probably isn't for everybody, however I think most folks that purchase it
are not going to be dissastisfied,

--
Don Burnette

> Why Yes Don, I Have!

> > So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc
etc.
> > Pretty broad statement don't ya think?

> > --
> > Don Burnette

> > > NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz
> and
> > > less than GEforce GTS...no comparison...

> > > > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares
> overall
> > on
> > > > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am
> > > > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have.

by **Cliff Roma** » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:11:06

Just curious.. why would anyone want 42 cars drawn ahead anyways? When you
are behind them you can only see 2 or 3 ahead of you.. Once the race gets
going you can not see half-way around the track to the lead cars anyways.

I guess people do it just to say they do

> Nowwwww, you know you haven't :)
> Look , I am an avid gamer who is pretty picky about how games look when
> running them. I run N4 on a cheap ass Celeron chip ( 566), overclocked to
> 850, and a GeForce2 MX card. 128 mb of pc100 ram.
> It is great on my system. No, I don't have world and detail on full, and
no
> I don't have draw ahead at 100%, and no I am not drawing 42 cars ahead.
> However, I have it set about middle of the road, the sim is downright
> gorgeous on my system, and I have very playable frame rates - averaging
> around 35-50 fps depending on the situation.
> Point being - Papy has scaled this thing to where it can be played on a
wide
> variety of systems. Folks should not be discouraged about buying the sim
> unless they are really out of date on their system. Plus, I really like
> knowing that when I finally part with some money and get that 1ghz chip
and
> new motherboard, that I will be able to raise the bar in the graphics
> department in the sim and enjoy it even more.
> I hate to think some lurkers might be reading what you stated below and
> steer away from getting N4 being afraid of it not running worth a crap.
It's
> an awesome sim , and know what? It has a money back guarentee. Sure, it
> probably isn't for everybody, however I think most folks that purchase it
> are not going to be dissastisfied,

> --
> Don Burnette

> > Why Yes Don, I Have!

> > > So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc
> etc.
> > > Pretty broad statement don't ya think?

> > > --
> > > Don Burnette

> > > > NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than
1ghz
> > and
> > > > less than GEforce GTS...no comparison...

> > > > > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares
> > overall
> > > on
> > > > > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but
am
> > > > > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have.

by **Rod Princ** » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:01:31

One thing I figure it would help is when there was a big pileup the
turn before you. One incident I recall where an accident occured with
about 10 cars, I thought I had picked a nice little gap I could
squeeze through, but as soon as I got halfway through the gap, a car
appeared right before me and I ended up t-boning him. If I had 42 cars
drawn ahead, that gap wouldn't have appeared.

Cheers,
Rod.

by **Andre Warrin** » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:14:17

About upgrading - Did anyone here with a PIII500 upgrade from a V3
card to a V5 or GFII card? Did it help?
Someone told me that it's no use buying a better gfx card with a
PIII500 processor..

Andre

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