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by **Eldre** » Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>> Yeah, I used the speedo in N2(and ICR,etc) to judge the turns. It took me
>a
>> LONG time to learn to drive in GPL without it, and I'm sure that's why I'm
>not
>> more consistent... With a 15" monitor and some graphics turned down/off,
>it's
>> not always easy to judge youre speed based on what you SEE...

>Learn to read the Tach. The Tach is just as good as a Speedo. If real
>racers do it, it must work. ;)

Which isn't described in the manual with any degree of detail... Unless I
download a new dash, I really don't know what values are where on the tach.
Because of this, I just end up going by the sound of the engine, which of
course varies by what gear you're in...

Eldred.

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by **Eldre** » Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>I fail to understand how the lack of a speedo (unless we are talking about a
>digital readout which IMHO would be totally unsuitable for GPL anyway), is
>such a cause for concern. mph is only a yardstick in the same way that rpm
>is. If we are talking about using an analogue speedo here surely it is easy
>enough to figure out what speed you are doing for given revs in any gear.

>Ultimately, the average simmer will lap within just a couple of percent of
>the top dogs. Once in this zone, point of concentration should be focused on
>braking points turning in to the apex correctly and getting the gas down
>earlier in order to shave those 10ths off. I'm not sure how this could be
>done if I was staring at a needle!

Not *staring* at it, glancing at it. In ICR/NCR, I could brake until I was at
70MPH(for example), then execute the turn at a speed that I knew would keep me
on the track. As for knowing what speed you're doing - I don't see how,
without a gauge. Someone here once asked me what speed I was achieving through
Masta at Spa. I didn't know. I had to look at a replay, and read the speed
readout on the replay screen. In actuality, I really don't know how fast I'm
going in ANY corner. It's just what 'feels' right and controllable. It's only
after I look at my replay and someone else's that I realize I'm 5-10mph slower
at Parabolica, for example.

Eldred
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by **Olaf** » Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>> : Yeah, I try to tell people who complain about the missing speedo in GPL
>> that
>> : what matters in not how fast you drive in a corner, but what gear and revs
>> : you have in the corner.

>> Surely not - I mean you don't spin because the engine revs are too
>> high - you spin because your speed is too high. Sure, it can be
>> affected if you're braking, accelerating or whatever - but the primary
>> cause is surely excess speed?

> I believe they are one and the same. If I'm in the correct gear and my
> revs are right then I know that I am at the ideal speed for that corner.
> In fact, after a while you shouldn't even need to check the rev counter.
> I've been driving GPL for so many hours now that the sound of the engine
> is enough to tell me whether I am going at the ideal speed. This means
> that I don't even have to look at the rev counter and anything that
> allows me to keep my eyes on the road and not elsewhere has got to be
> useful.

You're absolutly right on this matter. Racing is like communication. If You
don't listen, see or feel well then You don't race well.

by **Peter Ive** » Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>>I fail to understand how the lack of a speedo (unless we are talking about a
>>digital readout which IMHO would be totally unsuitable for GPL anyway), is
>>such a cause for concern. mph is only a yardstick in the same way that rpm
>>is. If we are talking about using an analogue speedo here surely it is easy
>>enough to figure out what speed you are doing for given revs in any gear.

>>Ultimately, the average simmer will lap within just a couple of percent of
>>the top dogs. Once in this zone, point of concentration should be focused on
>>braking points turning in to the apex correctly and getting the gas down
>>earlier in order to shave those 10ths off. I'm not sure how this could be
>>done if I was staring at a needle!

>Not *staring* at it, glancing at it. In ICR/NCR, I could brake until I was at
>70MPH(for example), then execute the turn at a speed that I knew would keep me
>on the track. As for knowing what speed you're doing - I don't see how,
>without a gauge. Someone here once asked me what speed I was achieving through
>Masta at Spa. I didn't know. I had to look at a replay, and read the speed
>readout on the replay screen. In actuality, I really don't know how fast I'm
>going in ANY corner. It's just what 'feels' right and controllable. It's only
>after I look at my replay and someone else's that I realize I'm 5-10mph slower
>at Parabolica, for example.

And that's the whole crux of it Eldred. Knowing what speed you are
doing at any particular point on the circuit is really only useful when
comparing your speed to someone else's.

I can guarantee to you that, without even having to look at the dash,
that my speeds through the Masta are consistently within a couple of mph
of each other when I do it right (This 'right' of course is all very
subjective <g>). Having a speedo would not improve my ability to take
that section any quicker. It will only be when I finally get around to
looking at replays of the hotshoes and compare my speed through there to
theirs that I'm gonna say to myself 'Oh sh*t! Time for a rethink.'.
:-)
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more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.

by **Eldre** » Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>I can guarantee to you that, without even having to look at the dash,
>that my speeds through the Masta are consistently within a couple of mph
>of each other when I do it right (This 'right' of course is all very
>subjective <g>). Having a speedo would not improve my ability to take
>that section any quicker. It will only be when I finally get around to
>looking at replays of the hotshoes and compare my speed through there to
>theirs that I'm gonna say to myself 'Oh sh*t! Time for a rethink.'.
>:-)

...As I've been doing recently with Prydden's replay...<g>

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by **Joel Willstei** » Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:00:00

> > Agree with everything in this post,as you really need to get
> > every compensation you can for the limitations imposed on sims
> > by current PC platforms.(except for reduced physical model !!!!!!!!)

> Well,maybe not EVERYTHING, upon further thought.
> I still race only in the***pit view,but I can understand
> the reasons for wanting to race in the "arcade" view,
> due to the limitations of the***pit view.
> Robert S?derberg

Robert,
Then use the head panning option. Once you get use to it, it really
works very well. I have the panning on the right and left bottom buttons on
my MSFF wheel. Easy to use, and very effective.

Joel Willstein

by **Obiwa** » Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:00:00

> > Well,maybe not EVERYTHING, upon further thought.
> > I still race only in the***pit view,but I can understand
> > the reasons for wanting to race in the "arcade" view,
> > due to the limitations of the***pit view.

> > Robert S?derberg

> Robert,
> Then use the head panning option. Once you get use to it, it really
> works very well. I have the panning on the right and left bottom buttons on
> my MSFF wheel. Easy to use, and very effective.

I do,I do..however,
1) I dont like the speed it moves,..
I would like to be able to adjust it,bot faster and slower for comparison.
...at least have the same of features and ease of moment
as the virutal***pits in the flight sims.
2) it's no comparing the head panning to what it would be like
to have GPL with three screens.......
that would at least BEGIN to approximate the sensory input
of the driver situation in real life!

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by **Mitch Alatorr** » Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Seeing how your talking in "what ifs"

Better than just "3 screens" would be a head mounted display (high res) with
head tracking! Now your fully immersed.

> > > Well,maybe not EVERYTHING, upon further thought.
> > > I still race only in the***pit view,but I can understand
> > > the reasons for wanting to race in the "arcade" view,
> > > due to the limitations of the***pit view.

> > > Robert S?derberg

> > Robert,
> > Then use the head panning option. Once you get use to it, it really
> > works very well. I have the panning on the right and left bottom buttons
on
> > my MSFF wheel. Easy to use, and very effective.

> I do,I do..however,
> 1) I dont like the speed it moves,..
> I would like to be able to adjust it,bot faster and slower for comparison.
> ...at least have the same of features and ease of moment
> as the virutal***pits in the flight sims.
> 2) it's no comparing the head panning to what it would be like
> to have GPL with three screens.......
> that would at least BEGIN to approximate the sensory input
> of the driver situation in real life!

> --
> Robert S?derberg

> If replying by mail,remove the word INGENSPAM from the adress.

by **Eldre** » Sun, 30 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>> Robert,
>> Then use the head panning option. Once you get use to it, it really
>> works very well. I have the panning on the right and left bottom buttons on
>> my MSFF wheel. Easy to use, and very effective.

If I had extra buttons on my wheel, it might work. I don't - so I have to feel
for the right keys...<crash!>
<g>
Eldred
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by **Matthew Birger Knutse** » Mon, 31 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I've tried this, and it usually makes me fall off the chair! <vbg>

Matt/GPLEA

by **Joel Willstei** » Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Matt,

You constantly pan your head when you drive your own car. You just have
to get use to the method that gpl uses. But once you do, it's a great aid.

Joel Willstien

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