Agree with everything in this post,as you really need to get
every compensation you can for the limitations imposed on sims
by current PC platforms.(except for reduced physical model !!!!!!!!)
Would you remember any details at all about that posting you mentioned above?
I'm interested in any info at all regarding how the game engine manipulates the
cameras.
Regards.
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Who said that and where Mike ? I really want to flame somebody, please tell
me 8)
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how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
>> A speedometer will help you judge
>> you speed and compensate for the lack of sensation and stereoscopic vision.
>It wouldn't bother me if there was an option, but
>I'd try not to use it. In N2, I was constantly
>watching the speed readout in turns, and relied
>on it heavily to turn a good lap. GPL is a lot
>more fun for me since I'm driving by the virual
>seat of my pants, instead of by the numbers.
Eldred
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I suggest you go look at comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action if you cannot live
with us, the *** simracers that are on our own newsgroup made for us,
rec.autos.simulators.
We have been here for years, it is our home and we have some very ***
thoughts. You don't like them? It's possible. But don't come here and say
what we should say or not say. Realism is what we want.
The best racing simulator will be the one we compare to everything else,
higher or lower. Unfortunately, nothing went higher yet, all under they
went. Not to say there will never be a higher one, but when it will then we
will move on and consider it as the Mecca of simracing.
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-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
When GPL was first mooted the one omission that disappointed me more than
save-game, or weather conditions, was the lack of pitting. Over the length
of a full-on GP distance, this would have been a brilliant inclusion for
those times when we brush a hedgerow or scrape a bridge wall, resulting in a
deflating tyre or a bent tie-rod, for example.
To have had the ability to make a pit stop and then resume the chase would
have added tons of atmosphere to an already brilliant simulation.
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After due consideration my feedback is that you need to pop a Prozac
or two before posting in the future. That way we don't get a tirade,
and hopefully a touch less swearing too.
The point that you are discussing revolves around two issues -
suspension of disbelief on one hand, and fairness on the other. Some
people want a totally immersive experience, to recreate the moments of
Clark, Hill, Gurney and forget the fact they're looking at looking at
a 19" 2 dimensional computer monitor. Others want lots of add-ons
which weren't available in real life to enhance their sim experience,
but then both parties want to race each other online, and while the
latter is happy to race anything, the former can lose the enjoyment
because the experience is gone if you're supposedly engaging in a fair
and equal race but one person is floating fifty feet above the car in
arcade view, speedo, better visibility etc etc.
I certainly can't see it as a problem though, you just find people for
whom this is not a problem and race them. As for people disagreeing
with suggestions, welcome to Usenet.
As to the specific suggestion of arcade view, when in arcade view you
watch a small car move relative to the road which is difficult to
intepret and react to. In-car large areas move relative to each other,
and in a manner any driver understands and knows how to interpret. I
find any racing game far easier from in-car view, but YMMV.
No, it's exactly the opposite. When you drive from arcade view you are
re-learning to drive the car from a totally unnatural position. From
the in-car you use the same visual cues that are used in a real car.
In _neither_ case do you have the physical seat-of-the-pants
indicators available in real-life, but the in-car view is for sure
closest to reality.
Cheers!
John
But wouldn't be nice if we saw some split time during our laps. To see
directly where
we are losing time, without using external utilities. Being able to made
direct changes to
our setups
And what are the times of other competitors. I mean If I was racing for a
last round in the championship
I would like to how my direct competitor is doing in the race... How many
cars are between us ?
At the moment it's guessing time and the disappoint ment can be great after
the race...
I think this might help a lot of people increasing their performance in GPL,
not only a speedometer
Jimmy
Learn to read the Tach. The Tach is just as good as a Speedo. If real
racers do it, it must work. ;)
> Learn to read the Tach. The Tach is just as good as a Speedo. If real
> racers do it, it must work. ;)
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> And what about the timing system ? I know it is realistically implemented,
> the way you see
> your lap time a lap later ...
> But wouldn't be nice if we saw some split time during our laps. To see
> directly where
> we are losing time, without using external utilities. Being able to made
> direct changes to
> our setups
> And what are the times of other competitors. I mean If I was racing for a
> last round in the championship
> I would like to how my direct competitor is doing in the race... How many
> cars are between us ?
> At the moment it's guessing time and the disappoint ment can be great after
> the race...
> I think this might help a lot of people increasing their performance in GPL,
> not only a speedometer
> Jimmy
There are other ideas that I've had but can't remember them right off
hand. I would imagine that there could be a utility where I can choose
what I want displayed on the pit board for each Race. Load up the
application, choose what I want via radio buttons, close the
application, start GPL. You get the idea.
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Yes, that is what is happening, one is learning to drive the sim. The
same thing happens in real life, the more time one spends in the***pit
(as opposed attending driver's meetings and reading driving manuals),
the more one learns to drive the race car. There are subtle clues from
the***pit view that will tell one the shape of the car. Spending time
in the***pit allows one to learn how to interpret these clues and how
to react to them. Since it is a sim, one must compensate and learn to
pickup on the subtle clues that Papyrus provided us to learn to drive
quick and consistent.
You also mentioned a speedometer, well, one can learn to judge the speed
by paying attention to the revs (just like a real race car driver did in
those days). Yeh, maybe Papyrus would have made the game more
accessable to those that need some of the crutches you mention.
However, they didn't provide them and we either learn to adapt without
them or moan their abscence. I get more pleasure learning to adapt
without them, while others seem to enjoy moaning about the shortcomings
of a fine racing simulation of the 1967 F1 season.
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: Yeah, I try to tell people who complain about the missing speedo in GPL that
: what matters in not how fast you drive in a corner, but what gear and revs
: you have in the corner.
Surely not - I mean you don't spin because the engine revs are too
high - you spin because your speed is too high. Sure, it can be
affected if you're braking, accelerating or whatever - but the primary
cause is surely excess speed?
--
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Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
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Marc.
> When GPL was first mooted the one omission that disappointed me more than
> save-game, or weather conditions, was the lack of pitting. Over the
length
> of a full-on GP distance, this would have been a brilliant inclusion for
> those times when we brush a hedgerow or scrape a bridge wall, resulting in
a
> deflating tyre or a bent tie-rod, for example.
> To have had the ability to make a pit stop and then resume the chase would
> have added tons of atmosphere to an already brilliant simulation.
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------
> > I'm sure you'll appreciate that very few faults were fixed during a race
> in
> > the 60's,
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Marc.
> I suggest you go look at comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action if you cannot live
> with us, the *** simracers that are on our own newsgroup made for us,
> rec.autos.simulators.
> We have been here for years, it is our home and we have some very ***
> thoughts. You don't like them? It's possible. But don't come here and
say
> what we should say or not say. Realism is what we want.
> The best racing simulator will be the one we compare to everything else,
> higher or lower. Unfortunately, nothing went higher yet, all under they
> went. Not to say there will never be a higher one, but when it will then
we
> will move on and consider it as the Mecca of simracing.
> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Marc.
> Yes, that is what is happening, one is learning to drive the sim. The
> same thing happens in real life, the more time one spends in the***pit
> (as opposed attending driver's meetings and reading driving manuals),
> the more one learns to drive the race car. There are subtle clues from
> the***pit view that will tell one the shape of the car. Spending time
> in the***pit allows one to learn how to interpret these clues and how
> to react to them. Since it is a sim, one must compensate and learn to
> pickup on the subtle clues that Papyrus provided us to learn to drive
> quick and consistent.
> You also mentioned a speedometer, well, one can learn to judge the speed
> by paying attention to the revs (just like a real race car driver did in
> those days). Yeh, maybe Papyrus would have made the game more
> accessable to those that need some of the crutches you mention.
> However, they didn't provide them and we either learn to adapt without
> them or moan their abscence. I get more pleasure learning to adapt
> without them, while others seem to enjoy moaning about the shortcomings
> of a fine racing simulation of the 1967 F1 season.
> --
> **************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
> Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
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