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by **Ruud Dingeman** » Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:56:25

> straight near the end with just enough for 1 lap, and couldn't do it. My PB is
> something like 8:23, set in December. I've only broken 8:30 once since then.

Well I haven't broken that 8:20 either but I'm sure it's possible if I
put enough laps in - that's what got me there in the first place ;)

Join the club mate ;) I can't do a Huttu either (the aliens always
seem to be able to accelerate without wheelspin, wonder how they do *that*).
But to just keep on lapping, practising for the fun of it, and not
concentrating on braking very late (too crash-prone) but good
medium-curve speed and good smooth exits may give better times without
too much angst, I suspect. That's what did it for me, at least in part...

Regards, Rudy

PS. Besides, if I remember correctly I once read in an old 1999-ish
Usenet post you'd probably have multiple heart attacks if you ever went
negative, so just be glad you're alive and cherish the glory now that
you're finally there - don't worry, be happy ;)

by **alex** » Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:48:20

>> straight near the end with just enough for 1 lap, and couldn't do it.
>> My PB is something like 8:23, set in December. I've only broken 8:30
>> once since then.

> Well I haven't broken that 8:20 either but I'm sure it's possible if I
> put enough laps in - that's what got me there in the first place ;)

>> I guess I don't know what combos make a 'set'. If I push anywhere,
>> I'm off the track. I watch replays of fast guys(and their 'tail
>> lights' in races), and I'm just in awe of the speeds they can carry in
>> the turns. I've crashed more than once trying to follow in the tire
>> tracks of someone else.

> Join the club mate ;) I can't do a Huttu either (the aliens always
> seem to be able to accelerate without wheelspin, wonder how they do
> *that*). But to just keep on lapping, practising for the fun of it, and
> not concentrating on braking very late (too crash-prone) but good
> medium-curve speed and good smooth exits may give better times without
> too much angst, I suspect. That's what did it for me, at least in
> part...

> Regards, Rudy

> PS. Besides, if I remember correctly I once read in an old 1999-ish
> Usenet post you'd probably have multiple heart attacks if you ever went
> negative, so just be glad you're alive and cherish the glory now that
> you're finally there - don't worry, be happy ;)

Yeah, I wonder if anybody believes Eldred's tales these days ;->
Only few days ago in the league race he was harassing me for good
20 laps, consistently running 2 seconds below the benchmark time
until he had finally got through :-(

Alex.

by **Eldre** » Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:17:18

>> Yeah, I know how THAT goes. I ran a Ring lap that got me to the negative
>side,
>> and haven't had a laptime close SINCE...

>> Eldred

>To negotiate 174 turns at a good pace requires more than luck. At a short
>track
>you might get a lucky lap, but not at the Ring and that's why it's a good
>measure of driver skill. If you can do one good lap there then there's more,
>just gotta keep trying to get it, and that takes time and patience.

Patience? What's THAT? :-)

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by **Eldre** » Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:17:18

>Another way of establishing a rythm there is to start a GP from the back
>against the AI. Just bobbing along picking off the odd few that really get
>in your way and, seeing as the car gets so much more performant every lap
>and the AI get in the way of overstretching yourself, you can get some quite
>nice laptimes in before the race is over.

And where the heck can you pass at the Ring? The only places I can do it are
on the 3 straights. So, I end up stuck(and frustrated) behind the AI for about
90% of the lap.

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by **Eldre** » Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:17:17

>Also observe your driving. Sometimes I notice new things about
>old familiar corner. For example, I've recently discovered that
>the apex in the final right of Kesslechen sequence is much later
>than I always thought, nearly past the crest, and the whole corner
>is faster.

Ack...I don't eve know what corner you're referring to... Gotta find my track
map.

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by **Eldre** » Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:17:18

>Congrats!! Another alien hatches!! ;o)

Just because you go negative doesn't mean you're an alien. I wish it DID...<g>

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by **Eldre** » Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:17:17

>Why wait for the next lap? 'Ring is one of the few tracks where
>you can set new PB after messing up. My first PB when I went negative
>contained 4(!) spins. One would think that as you go faster it would
>make harder to set PB after messing up, but it's not always true.
>Only yesterday I set new BRM PB at 8:13, after half spinning in
>one place and going off track somewhere else. Must have lost
>couple of seconds. Grrr...

But you're an alien, Alex...<g>

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by **Malc** » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:01:01

Yup, that sounds about right.

Fortunately it's not too hard to put pressure on the driver in front, and
mistakes are common. I think I've only ever had to follow one car round a
complete lap once, although I've defended for a complete lap on a couple of
occasions.

The 'ring is hard enough to get round alone, when you have to check your
mirrors too it starts to get very complicated ;-)

Malc.

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:18:10

The object of the exercise is not to charge to the front and beat the AI.
Because the AI keep you below what *you* think you can do, you are "free" to
play around with your line in order to find a way around them, see how you
can drive sections faster to get a run, etc...

Besides, there's a couple more places where you can pass at the Ring.
Aremberg, out of Bergwerk if you set them up right, into Carroussel, into
the right hander after Wipperman, etc... just make sure you adjust your line
to be where you need to be to make your move and to adjust your braking so
you don't overshoot on an outbraking attempt.

Jan.
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by **Haqsa** » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:15:25

Bah! What makes you think you aren't? ;o)

by **alex** » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:19:18

>>Also observe your driving. Sometimes I notice new things about
>>old familiar corner. For example, I've recently discovered that
>>the apex in the final right of Kesslechen sequence is much later
>>than I always thought, nearly past the crest, and the whole corner is
>>faster.

> Ack...I don't eve know what corner you're referring to... Gotta find
> my track map.

> Eldred

Don't bother, I rarely remember corner names correctly, it might be
entry into Klostertal. After you exit Ex-Muhle, the long fast and twisty
section starts. The nearest blind over-the-crest right hander is the
corner I'm talking about. After making it you run toward slow right
hand 180 which leads toward Karussell.

Alex.

by **alex** » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:26:20

>>>Also observe your driving. Sometimes I notice new things about
>>>old familiar corner. For example, I've recently discovered that
>>>the apex in the final right of Kesslechen sequence is much later
>>>than I always thought, nearly past the crest, and the whole corner is
>>>faster.

>> Ack...I don't eve know what corner you're referring to... Gotta find
>> my track map.

>> Eldred
> Don't bother, I rarely remember corner names correctly, it might be
> entry into Klostertal. After you exit Ex-Muhle,

As I mentioned I rarely remember corner names correctly. Read Bergwerk
instead of Ex-Muhle :)

Alex.

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by **alex** » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:31:02

> Verschueren"

>>Another way of establishing a rythm there is to start a GP from the
>>back against the AI. Just bobbing along picking off the odd few that
>>really get in your way and, seeing as the car gets so much more
>>performant every lap and the AI get in the way of overstretching
>>yourself, you can get some quite nice laptimes in before the race is
>>over.

> And where the heck can you pass at the Ring?

Here's my list of passing places against AI (assuming being in
slower car myself):
- divebomb entering Hatzenbach (first slow left in that sequence)
- exiting Flugplatz (going faster on the left side of the road)
- outside line in Schwedenkreuz and then inside into Aremberg
(a little bit risky move)
- going toward The Tree on the left side (a bit risky too)
- into the first right hander after The Tree (another risky spot)
- variety of moves in Kesselchen and Klostertal (AI is just going
too slowly there)
- between first and second left handers after the Karussell
- going into Eschbach (or rather sort of accelerating out
of the previous corner)
- going toward Eis Kurve or on the inside of Eis Kurve
- taking inside line in Pflantzgarten (just before the jump
when you need to brake)
- braking into Tiergarten (works only if you manage to stay
close enough on the straight, where AI tends to have insane
top speed)

Alex.

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:58:09

>>And where the heck can you pass at the Ring?
> - divebomb entering Hatzenbach (first slow left in that sequence)

Sheer suicide

Are you NUTS?!? ;)

ditto for the first part!

Crikey, another one for utter nutters only!

<gulp>

Klostertal right-hander *might* be doable...

Only if you're tired of life!

Means going in REALLY fast and braking REALLY late, which is not
something I'd recommend if I'd want to finish the lap, and therefore.. ;)

Yoiks! Another hi-risk manoeuvre for those with lives to spare
(outgunning them going onto the D?ttinger straight might be easier!)

Ok, Alex, we've established you may not be an alien but could
certainly be counted among the kamikazes ;)

Regards, Rudy
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by **Eldre** » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:58:00

>Don't bother, I rarely remember corner names correctly, it might be
>entry into Klostertal. After you exit Ex-Muhle, the long fast and twisty
>section starts. The nearest blind over-the-crest right hander is the
>corner I'm talking about. After making it you run toward slow right
>hand 180 which leads toward Karussell.

That's a corner that I keep hitting the fence on the left if I try to push. As
a result, I usually just *crawl* over that crest...

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