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by **Ruud Dingeman** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:43:09

> Yeah, I know how THAT goes. I ran a Ring lap that got me to the negative side,
> and haven't had a laptime close SINCE...

I guess you'd have to stop 'thinking positive' while racing Eldred, it's
the only method I can think of ;)

Regards, Rudy

PS. Apart from having several large whiskeys and Juzzzt Nott Caeerrring
how many times you crash, that is.

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:50:50

> I associate 174 turns with a series that involves a co-driver calling the
> notes...
> I am not sure it is such a measure of driver skill any more than any other
> track, more of dedication and patience <ducks for cover>

Not to mention an excercise in Buttklenchen Over An Exceedingly Long
Period <grin> ;)

Regards, Ruud

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:53:56

> Why wait for the next lap? 'Ring is one of the few tracks where
> you can set new PB after messing up. My first PB when I went negative
> contained 4(!) spins.

<Euargh> In accordance with Eldred's Law, now *I* think I'm gonna be
sick (sigh)

Regards, Ruud

by **Ped Xin** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:37:43

LOL - I hear you, mate! But don't let it take away from enjoying your
accomplishment. Going negative at the Ring is a big deal no matter what, I
say. When I went negative at the Ring, I was absolutely over the moon.
Probably more so than when I went negative in GPLRank overall, just a few
days prior!

by **Ken MacKa** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:32:52

>
>
>> Agree, to a certain extend... once you know the layout of the place I think
>> it's too frustrating to keep practising there. Mess up and you gotta go all
>> the way around again to have another go
>
> Why wait for the next lap? 'Ring is one of the few tracks where you can set
> new PB after messing up. My first PB when I went negative contained 4(!)
> spins. One would think that as you go faster it would make harder to set PB
> after messing up, but it's not always true. Only yesterday I set new BRM PB
> at 8:13, after half spinning in one place and going off track somewhere else.
> Must have lost couple of seconds. Grrr...
>
> Alex.
>
LOL, my PB contains 1 quick spin at foxhole losing about 3s, but was pushing
hard before, and even harder after from being annoyed at myself for screwing up
and more than made up for the spin. Agree about the place being frustrating,
just spent a few weeks there working on a monster rank. Sometimes couldn't get a
single clean lap in during a 30 minute session, maybe only 1 or 2 in an hour,
but if I didn't push then the lap times were about 10-15s slower. Luckily did
the Ring first, the other tracks seem so short now that I don't mind throwing
away a few laps by pushing too hard.

Take pride in that negative Ring time Ruud.

Ken

by **Eldre** » Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:28:13

I still need another 2 seconds at the Ring to go negative there. I don't know
where I can find those seconds, either. I haven't gotten close to my PB in
over 6 months!

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by **alex** » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:43:18

>>> Why wait for the next lap? 'Ring is one of the few tracks where
>>> you can set new PB after messing up. My first PB when I went negative
>>> contained 4(!) spins.

>><Euargh> In accordance with Eldred's Law, now *I* think I'm gonna be
>>sick (sigh)

> LOL - I hear you, mate! But don't let it take away from enjoying your
> accomplishment. Going negative at the Ring is a big deal no matter
> what, I say.

Right! It doesn't matter how many times you spun in the process,
it's the lap time that counts. I don't know if aliens can run
mistake-free laps, but I don't see myself being able to make
mistake-free lap at the 'Ring. Though GPLRally experience
definitely helps to recover from minor mistakes with minimal
time loss ;->

Alex.

by **Eldre** » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:40:16

My 8:23 PB was a clean lap. That's why I don't see how I can get a lower
laptime... I'm already on the edge as IS...

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by **alex** » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:21:55

Push harder, I have plenty 8:2x clean laps too, and often I can not
understand why my lap time is 8:2x when I thought I had nice clean
lap.

Also observe your driving. Sometimes I notice new things about
old familiar corner. For example, I've recently discovered that
the apex in the final right of Kesslechen sequence is much later
than I always thought, nearly past the crest, and the whole corner
is faster.

Alex.

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:49:55

> I still need another 2 seconds at the Ring to go negative there. I don't know
> where I can find those seconds, either. I haven't gotten close to my PB in
> over 6 months!

Ever tried ditching more fuel? Prior to getting my PB I seem to remember
I dumped *all* the liquid but for 2 laps, saving me about 18 kilograms,
and maybe 1/20th of a second every corner... Hey, with 174 curves, it
starts to count I guess ;)

(Also, what helped as well is remembering to aim for getting thru "sets
of corners" fast, keeping up a good average, not trying to enter & exit
every corner as fast as possible and ending up in the wrong place for
the next one... I suspect this is sooooo easy to forget and sooo
important for a place like the Ring...)

Regards, Ruud

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:55:05

>>>>you can set new PB after messing up. My first PB when I went negative
>>>>contained 4(!) spins.
>> Going negative at the Ring is a big deal no matter
>>what, I say.

> Right! It doesn't matter how many times you spun in the process,
> it's the lap time that counts. I don't know if aliens can run
> mistake-free laps, but I don't see myself being able to make
> mistake-free lap at the 'Ring.

?

Well I wouldn't say my lap was anything near mistake-free, bit too much
throttle here,bit too little there, bit off the right line just about
every other corner, but I *do* know I *need* to get a spin-free lap
without any little fly-offs to get anywhere near a decent time...
(That's why it took 2345 tries to get to that one clean lap ;)

Regards, Rudy

by **alex** » Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:41:06

about 0.5s times 174/2 = 43 seconds. Well you're looking
at WR if you hook everything right ;->

Alex.

by **Ped Xin** » Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:21:34

Get the Ringtrainer and set it to dump you on the long straight. Voila, no
out-lap required!

I was sitting at 8:37 and thought it was a good lap and didn't see how I
could get lower. Then I got a 32. Then a 29. Then 25 and then 20.. so
just keep lapping it, you're bound to get that extra time.

by **Eldre** » Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:49:28

Yeah, I''ve tried that. I've even used the RingTrainer, started from the long
straight near the end with just enough for 1 lap, and couldn't do it. My PB is
something like 8:23, set in December. I've only broken 8:30 once since then.

I guess I don't know what combos make a 'set'. If I push anywhere, I'm off the
track. I watch replays of fast guys(and their 'tail lights' in races), and I'm
just in awe of the speeds they can carry in the turns. I've crashed more than
once trying to follow in the tire tracks of someone else.

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:51:41

Hehe...I just replied to Ruud about my use of RingTrainer... :-)

When I have to brake at the same spots all the time just to stay on the track,
I run about the same laptimes. My average is from about 8:37 - 8:45.

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