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>Subject: An idea for GPL2
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>Maybe Papyrus could introduce the idea of dual hosts. Currently with a
>single host, the host computer hosting 19 clients (20 racers in all)
>sends data for 5 cars to each client computer. That's 95 units. If there
>were two hosts each hosting 9 clients (still 20 racers in total) then
>each host would send data for it's 9 clients plus itself to the other
>host (10 units) and data for 5 cars to each of it's clients (45 units)
>making a total of 55 units for each host. That's a 58% of the bandwidth
>needed by each host. This would allow two connections of lower bandwidth
>to host 20 driver grids (eg ISDN). Ok, so the latency would be increased
>for car data that was not in your immediate host, but, with some
>shuffling just before the start, one host could take the first 10 on the
>grid and the other the last 10 thus maximising the chances of your host
>dealing with those cars immediately around you.

> Maybe Papyrus could introduce the idea of dual hosts. Currently with a
> single host, the host computer hosting 19 clients (20 racers in all)
> sends data for 5 cars to each client computer. That's 95 units. If there
> were two hosts each hosting 9 clients (still 20 racers in total) then
> each host would send data for it's 9 clients plus itself to the other
> host (10 units) and data for 5 cars to each of it's clients (45 units)
> making a total of 55 units for each host. That's a 58% of the bandwidth
> needed by each host. This would allow two connections of lower bandwidth
> to host 20 driver grids (eg ISDN). Ok, so the latency would be increased
> for car data that was not in your immediate host, but, with some
> shuffling just before the start, one host could take the first 10 on the
> grid and the other the last 10 thus maximising the chances of your host
> dealing with those cars immediately around you.
> Just a thought.
> Cheers,
> Paul

> >Maybe Papyrus could introduce the idea of dual hosts. Currently with a
> >single host, the host computer hosting 19 clients (20 racers in all)
> >sends data for 5 cars to each client computer. That's 95 units. If there
> >were two hosts each hosting 9 clients (still 20 racers in total) then
> >each host would send data for it's 9 clients plus itself to the other
> >host (10 units) and data for 5 cars to each of it's clients (45 units)
> >making a total of 55 units for each host. That's a 58% of the bandwidth
> >needed by each host. This would allow two connections of lower bandwidth
> >to host 20 driver grids (eg ISDN). Ok, so the latency would be increased
> >for car data that was not in your immediate host, but, with some
> >shuffling just before the start, one host could take the first 10 on the
> >grid and the other the last 10 thus maximising the chances of your host
> >dealing with those cars immediately around you.

> Sounds awfully messy- if anything the host to host traffic is going to be
> increased, plus each host broadcasting to it's clients. Sounds liek twice the
> bandwidth, not half ;)

> Actually, if we're willing to run 18 opponents instead of 19, all we
> really need is some means of remotely controling another copy of GPL.
> Just let the host's car sit in the pits.  If this ever came to pass, I'd
> definitely buy another copy just to leave running on my work pc every
> night.

>> Actually, if we're willing to run 18 opponents instead of 19, all we
>> really need is some means of remotely controling another copy of GPL.
>> Just let the host's car sit in the pits.  If this ever came to pass, I'd
>> definitely buy another copy just to leave running on my work pc every
>> night.

>I;ve been doing this very thing for a couple of months now. I'm using
>Symantec's "PC Anywhere" software.

>I leave my office PC running (it's a PII on a T3 connection) and PC Anywhere
>waits for me to connect from home. When I connect, I see my office machine's
>desktop on my home PC  I fire up GPL (on the office box), start a multiplayer
>host session, then I quit PC Anywhere and fire up GPL on my home machine. I
>join the race my office PC is now hosting. Once the race is over, I quit GPL,
>fire up PC Anywhere again, and export the results and the replay of the race.
>Then I can start another race session on the office box.

>>> Actually, if we're willing to run 18 opponents instead of 19, all we
>>> really need is some means of remotely controling another copy of GPL.
>>> Just let the host's car sit in the pits.  If this ever came to pass, I'd
>>> definitely buy another copy just to leave running on my work pc every
>>> night.

>>I;ve been doing this very thing for a couple of months now. I'm using
>>Symantec's "PC Anywhere" software.

>>I leave my office PC running (it's a PII on a T3 connection) and PC
Anywhere
>>waits for me to connect from home. When I connect, I see my office
machine's
>>desktop on my home PC  I fire up GPL (on the office box), start a
multiplayer
>>host session, then I quit PC Anywhere and fire up GPL on my home machine.
I
>>join the race my office PC is now hosting. Once the race is over, I quit
GPL,
>>fire up PC Anywhere again, and export the results and the replay of the
race.
>>Then I can start another race session on the office box.

>Hey Trips, which video mode are you running on your work pc?  I've got a
>Viper550 in mine.  Up until now, I haven't had to deal with the OpenGL
>patch (V2 card at home).  Then again, I guess if I'm not actually going to
>be racing the work pc's car, I don't have to worry about it.
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> Hey Trips, which video mode are you running on your work pc?  I've got a
> Viper550 in mine.  Up until now, I haven't had to deal with the OpenGL
> patch (V2 card at home).  Then again, I guess if I'm not actually going to
> be racing the work pc's car, I don't have to worry about it.

>> Hey Trips, which video mode are you running on your work pc?  I've got a
>> Viper550 in mine.  Up until now, I haven't had to deal with the OpenGL
>> patch (V2 card at home).  Then again, I guess if I'm not actually going to
>> be racing the work pc's car, I don't have to worry about it.

>UNtil recently, the office PC had an Accelstar2 video card, and I ran the host in
>software render mode. In the last week or so I got a TNT for the office box and I
>now run the host in OpenGL mode.

>I don't notice a difference in connection quality either way, probably because the
>machine acts as a dedicated host and doesn't have anyone actually using it to
>drive. It does, however make me feel a bit more secure knowing that it's now
>getting 36fps even tho it just sits and hosts.

[chomp]

> You've broken a lot of ground in this grand experiment of running GPL
> hosts remotely- thanks for sharing the details.

> Now, if we could just get an add-on program from one of our
> illustrious programming wizards, to allow a "work machine" to host
> with absolutely no outside attendance... that would be amazing.
> Imagine going home at night, coming back in the morning, and looking
> at a log of 22 races that night, who won,  best times, etc.