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GP2 and CPU Occupancy

Scott Moor

GP2 and CPU Occupancy

by Scott Moor » Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:00:00

I remember reading a thread awhile ago referring to Processor occupancy in
GP2. A lot of people were griping about frame rates, and reporting COs of
140, 160, etc.

I just checked mine at Hockenheim, with a full field, and all textures
except the sky on, in SVGA. The highest CO I saw was 86.I don't exactly have
a screamer of a machine(166MMX, 32 MB EDO, Stealth II, cheap ass
motherboard) so why is the CO so low on my system?

Just wondering if anyone had an idea....

                                                   Scott Moore

Keith Allso

GP2 and CPU Occupancy

by Keith Allso » Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:00:00


> I remember reading a thread awhile ago referring to Processor occupancy in
> GP2. A lot of people were griping about frame rates, and reporting COs of
> 140, 160, etc.

> I just checked mine at Hockenheim, with a full field, and all textures
> except the sky on, in SVGA. The highest CO I saw was 86.I don't exactly have
> a screamer of a machine(166MMX, 32 MB EDO, Stealth II, cheap ass
> motherboard) so why is the CO so low on my system?

> Just wondering if anyone had an idea....

>                                                    Scott Moore


Do you have SVGA turned on? Have you manually set the frame rate to a low number
or is the automatically selected frame rate low? CO is not absolute but depends
on the frame rate.

Let us know your frame rate and what CO you get at Monaco at the race start.

Keith.

od..

GP2 and CPU Occupancy

by od.. » Wed, 11 Mar 1998 04:00:00

On Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:05:28 -0500, "Scott Moore"


>I remember reading a thread awhile ago referring to Processor occupancy in
>GP2. A lot of people were griping about frame rates, and reporting COs of
>140, 160, etc.

I like seeing how high I can get the occupancy:) Get lots of tyre
smoke going etc... then check the occupancy from outside. My records
350%:)

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Jonathan Hill

GP2 and CPU Occupancy

by Jonathan Hill » Wed, 11 Mar 1998 04:00:00

beat 800% on a  486/50 with everything on. :)

jon

Torbjorn Wahlstro

GP2 and CPU Occupancy

by Torbjorn Wahlstro » Wed, 11 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Check your fps setting. You might get that reading with 16-19 fps,
I'm getting about 100 with almost everything on except sky with my
210MHz MMX 32MB DIMM. Diamond Stealth (968).

> I remember reading a thread awhile ago referring to Processor occupancy in
> GP2. A lot of people were griping about frame rates, and reporting COs of
> 140, 160, etc.

> I just checked mine at Hockenheim, with a full field, and all textures
> except the sky on, in SVGA. The highest CO I saw was 86.I don't exactly have
> a screamer of a machine(166MMX, 32 MB EDO, Stealth II, cheap ass
> motherboard) so why is the CO so low on my system?

> Just wondering if anyone had an idea....

>                                                    Scott Moore


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od..

GP2 and CPU Occupancy

by od.. » Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:00:00

WOW! I`m guessing that was SVGA mode too? Impressive:) I remember on
my old 386/sx33 getting 400% CO on F1GP. (You had to do it when the
screen was fading in.)
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Jon Gue

GP2 and CPU Occupancy

by Jon Gue » Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:00:00

On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:41:25 -0000, "Jonathan Hills"


>>I like seeing how high I can get the occupancy:) Get lots of tyre
>>smoke going etc... then check the occupancy from outside. My records
>>350%:)

>beat 800% on a  486/50 with everything on. :)

>jon

I've seen it on much the same machine go to 1000% and start again from
0% LOL. Took 3 real life minutes to get the red lights to come on . :)

To do this you have to _force_ it to run 25fps with all graphics on...

This was the worst 30 pounds I have spent, it's a pity I look to the
above to try to fool myself this counts as "entertainment value".

Thanks,

Jon Guest :-)



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Jo Hels

GP2 and CPU Occupancy

by Jo Hels » Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:00:00


If GP2 is the most important thing, then concentrate totally on processor power.
Videocard doesn't change a whole lot. 2Mb vs.4Mb even less (=nothing at all).
Probably better wait for the 100 Mhz bus and 350 Mhz PII if you want 25fps all
and everywhere with all details, though...

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David Mast

GP2 and CPU Occupancy

by David Mast » Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:00:00


>If you think that a K6 is faster than a PII, read the true benchmarks in
>games as posted at sites like Tom's hardware (www.tomshardware.com). You
>will soon see that in games, the K6 is not even the equal of a Pentium.

While I'm inclined to agree with you, I think the point is still open to
debate.  I wish someone would close the issue by reporting Occupancies with
both cpus on otherwise the same system (geez, I'd almost consider buying both
just to do this and end the issue!).  And if someone has these two CPU's,
please test a whole bunch of flight sims too :-)

Anyway, unless Tom's site has some new info, I gather you mostly refer to the
superior performance of the Intel on Quake, Quake II, and perhaps Forsaken(?).
I don't think it is a given that you can extrapolate this to mean that it
works better on GP2, or many other titles.  OTOH, you also see people respond:
"the Intel is superior in Quake and Quake-like games only".  I don't see how
they conclude this unless privy to a whole lot of info that I haven't seen.  
Obviously, one can't conclude it from the info above.

From the few reports I've seen from people claiming to have tried the MMX and
the K6 on an otherwise same system, yes, it does seem like the AMD benches
better in many tests, but the Intel is superior in many games' performance.  
Still, I'd like to see hard data (on games OTHER than Quake-like please!!).



>> I wanted to get some input on buying a new machine. I will want to play
>GP2
>> plus standard PC use.  I am debating between AMD K-6 233 or Pentium 233
>or
>> Pentium II 233 or even spending a bit more for Pentium II 266.  A few
>people
>> said get the AMD K-6 with 64 MB of RAM because the K-6 is faster that a
>> Pentium II 266. Also does anyone know if AMD is planning a chip faster
>than
>> their 233.  Finally, does 2 mb versus 4 mb of video RAM make a difference
>or
>> 64-bit card versus 128-bit card.  Thanks for the input.

Peter Gag

GP2 and CPU Occupancy

by Peter Gag » Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:00:00



> >> I wanted to get some input on buying a new machine. I will want t
> o play
> >GP2
> >> plus standard PC use.  I am debating between AMD K-6 233 or Penti
> um 233
> >or
> >> Pentium II 233 or even spending a bit more for Pentium II 266.  A
>  few
> >people
> >> said get the AMD K-6 with 64 MB of RAM because the K-6 is faster
> that a
> >> Pentium II 266. Also does anyone know if AMD is planning a chip f
> aster
> >than
> >> their 233.  Finally, does 2 mb versus 4 mb of video RAM make a di
> fference
> >or
> >> 64-bit card versus 128-bit card.  Thanks for the input.

Get a K6 166 (or 200) and overclock it to 233 (or 225 is even faster?)
and get the same or better performance than a p200 (on most things,
except Quake......yawn!).

I have a k6 200 (clocked to 225) and it rocks, and I have had
absolutely no probs at all. (GP2, TOCA Touring Cars, RAC Rally & F1RS
fly on it too)

8?)

*Peter*  8-)

Motle

GP2 and CPU Occupancy

by Motle » Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:00:00

My K6 200 is as fast or faster than the Intel 200s here in the buildng. The
PII will outrun a socket7 chip of the same mhz because of AGP and FPU. Just
as Tom says, if you don't play Quake the FPU doesn't matter much. I play
Quake every once in awhile and it still doesn't matter much. The K6 runs
Quake great. Period.

My point: the PII is superior. The K6 is $100s cheaper. The K6 is superior
to the Pentium because of price and L1 cache.

motley




>> >> I wanted to get some input on buying a new machine. I will want t
>> o play
>> >GP2
>> >> plus standard PC use.  I am debating between AMD K-6 233 or Penti
>> um 233
>> >or
>> >> Pentium II 233 or even spending a bit more for Pentium II 266.  A
>>  few
>> >people
>> >> said get the AMD K-6 with 64 MB of RAM because the K-6 is faster
>> that a
>> >> Pentium II 266. Also does anyone know if AMD is planning a chip f
>> aster
>> >than
>> >> their 233.  Finally, does 2 mb versus 4 mb of video RAM make a di
>> fference
>> >or
>> >> 64-bit card versus 128-bit card.  Thanks for the input.

>Get a K6 166 (or 200) and overclock it to 233 (or 225 is even faster?)
>and get the same or better performance than a p200 (on most things,
>except Quake......yawn!).

>I have a k6 200 (clocked to 225) and it rocks, and I have had
>absolutely no probs at all. (GP2, TOCA Touring Cars, RAC Rally & F1RS
>fly on it too)

>8?)

>*Peter*  8-)


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