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I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

Ken MacKa

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Ken MacKa » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:34:06

Wondered when someone was going to clue into something like this. If you want to
race with people on RAS then create a league and invite them. Simple. The server
owner or designated admin controls the server and sets the rules. If RAS
regulars don't like what that particular admin is doing they won't join.  Sure,
post reminders of the races and recruitment information if you like to RAS to
keep people here informed, but use your own forum for the flame wars,
entertaining as they are. Other leagues recruit here, just because RASCAR only
recruits here doesn't make it that special. Otherwise I don't see how RASCAR is
different than any another league.  Face it, RASCAR is never going to be the
wonderful open racing utopia some of you envision. The personalities and skill
levels in here won't allow that and everyone has their own idea of what it
should be. If there aren't enough people in here that share the same vision as
an admin then the league will die a natural death.  From what has been going on
in here lately its very apparent different groups want different things in a
league.  Well imagine that!, people in here not getting along on the track, hell
some of you aren't very civil to each other in here let alone behind the wheel!
   So find a server, set the rules, and invite people from RAS if you want. If
it's good it'll work but don't be alarmed if not everyone wants to join.

Thanks for the rant.
Ken


> Ok i to think this rascar shit is out of hand. Yes this news group may be because of ras***but please your ***ing like a bunch of old ladies.
> Allow me to simplify this for you. Have a secure site designed (passworded) could even charge for membership to support the cause
> then set up tcp/ip servers. A few for each mod if need be. then each different server can set shit up they way they want, as far as
> driving aids, *** whatever and clearly post that by the severs info on the site.
> then any member can pick and choose according to skill level, mod, ping and what ever other variations are available
> In this vast world a few can not control the many so offer more options. seems simple enough to me.

> <snip>

Schoone

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Schoone » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:41:20

Exactly, excellent post.


> Wondered when someone was going to clue into something like this. If you
want to
> race with people on RAS then create a league and invite them. Simple. The
server
> owner or designated admin controls the server and sets the rules. If RAS
> regulars don't like what that particular admin is doing they won't join.
Sure,
> post reminders of the races and recruitment information if you like to RAS
to
> keep people here informed, but use your own forum for the flame wars,
> entertaining as they are. Other leagues recruit here, just because RASCAR
only
> recruits here doesn't make it that special. Otherwise I don't see how
RASCAR is
> different than any another league.  Face it, RASCAR is never going to be
the
> wonderful open racing utopia some of you envision. The personalities and
skill
> levels in here won't allow that and everyone has their own idea of what it
> should be. If there aren't enough people in here that share the same
vision as
> an admin then the league will die a natural death.  From what has been
going on
> in here lately its very apparent different groups want different things in
a
> league.  Well imagine that!, people in here not getting along on the
track, hell
> some of you aren't very civil to each other in here let alone behind the
wheel!
>    So find a server, set the rules, and invite people from RAS if you
want. If
> it's good it'll work but don't be alarmed if not everyone wants to join.

> Thanks for the rant.
> Ken


> > Ok i to think this rascar shit is out of hand. Yes this news group may

be because of ras***but please your ***ing like a bunch of old ladies.
(passworded) could even charge for membership to support the cause
different server can set shit up they way they want, as far as
and what ever other variations are available
seems simple enough to me.

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Tim

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Tim » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:22:12

Well, not THAT exactly ...

The problem unique to RASCAR is that it was founded on r.a.s.  So anytime
someone feels the private website (which RASCAR did have) doesn't give them the
satisfaction they need, they can, an do, come here to vent it being a public
forum.

Kinda like the drunk who gets kicked out of his favorite bar once too often,
promptly pisses off every other bar on the street with his whining, then just
stands out in the middle of the street yelling at traffic.

Something like that :)

--
Tim White


> Exactly, excellent post.



> > Wondered when someone was going to clue into something like this. If you
> want to
> > race with people on RAS then create a league and invite them. Simple. The
> server ...

Schoone

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Schoone » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:28:56

The bar tenders seem to vent here as much as the drunks however ;-)


> Well, not THAT exactly ...

> The problem unique to RASCAR is that it was founded on r.a.s.  So anytime
> someone feels the private website (which RASCAR did have) doesn't give
them the
> satisfaction they need, they can, an do, come here to vent it being a
public
> forum.

> Kinda like the drunk who gets kicked out of his favorite bar once too
often,
> promptly pisses off every other bar on the street with his whining, then
just
> stands out in the middle of the street yelling at traffic.

> Something like that :)

> --
> Tim White



> > Exactly, excellent post.



> > > Wondered when someone was going to clue into something like this. If
you
> > want to
> > > race with people on RAS then create a league and invite them. Simple.
The
> > server ...

Tim

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Tim » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:30:44

WELL IT WAS HIS BAR !!!

rofl, sorry that was too easy :))

--
Tim White


> The bar tenders seem to vent here as much as the drunks however ;-)



> > Well, not THAT exactly ...

> > The problem unique to RASCAR is that it was founded on r.a.s.  So anytime
> > someone feels the private website (which RASCAR did have) doesn't give
> them the
> > satisfaction they need, they can, an do, come here to vent it being a
> public
> > forum.

> > Kinda like the drunk who gets kicked out of his favorite bar once too
> often,
> > promptly pisses off every other bar on the street with his whining, then
> just
> > stands out in the middle of the street yelling at traffic.

> > Something like that :)

> > --
> > Tim White



> > > Exactly, excellent post.



> > > > Wondered when someone was going to clue into something like this. If
> you
> > > want to
> > > > race with people on RAS then create a league and invite them. Simple.
> The
> > > server ...

Schoone

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Schoone » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:33:49

Hmm, you mean RAS's bar.  Again your statement seems to point out the major
issue I've read on here, ownership of RASCAR.

No difference to me really, just seems strange what sets this league apart
from the rest.  Other leagues have as many RAS members I'm willing to bet as
RASCAR yet this is not their public forum is all.


> WELL IT WAS HIS BAR !!!

> rofl, sorry that was too easy :))

> --
> Tim White



> > The bar tenders seem to vent here as much as the drunks however ;-)



> > > Well, not THAT exactly ...

> > > The problem unique to RASCAR is that it was founded on r.a.s.  So
anytime
> > > someone feels the private website (which RASCAR did have) doesn't give
> > them the
> > > satisfaction they need, they can, an do, come here to vent it being a
> > public
> > > forum.

> > > Kinda like the drunk who gets kicked out of his favorite bar once too
> > often,
> > > promptly pisses off every other bar on the street with his whining,
then
> > just
> > > stands out in the middle of the street yelling at traffic.

> > > Something like that :)

> > > --
> > > Tim White



> > > > Exactly, excellent post.


message

> > > > > Wondered when someone was going to clue into something like this.
If
> > you
> > > > want to
> > > > > race with people on RAS then create a league and invite them.
Simple.
> > The
> > > > server ...

John Simmon

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by John Simmon » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:33:21




> > Yes.... as 99% of all RAS readers have ymenard filtered.    It works the
> > same way!   ;P

> Ack so you're the 1% ? ;-D

> p.s.: I'm still waiting for Ge***-boy to ask us here if I'm the most hated
> man.  Bet he'll chicken out.

I'm a 1-percenter too. :)
Jan Koh

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Jan Koh » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:10:24

Errrmmm..but that's what is (part of) the problem.  RASCAR was founded here by R.A.S. readers who decided to go race.  Nothing
wrong with that.  I didn't want to join them, but I could have.  Nothing wrong with that.   Now, however, some people cry "foul"
and say RASCAR isn't for everyone and they need to get off this newsgroup.  Ummm...it IS from this newsgroup. So?  Creat an
"anti-RASCAR" rule in your newsreader, and you'll see them no more.  I didn't see anyone say that other leagues can't advertise
here either.

Reminds me of the people who buy a house near the airport then complain 'cause the darn planes keep flying overhead...
Next people will start complaining because there are way too many GPL posts here...

My .02 cents...

Cheers!

?? Jan Kohl

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Schoone

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Schoone » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:16:16

sigh - advertising a league is one thing, ongoing rants and multiple daily
threads is another.

Yes I can filter it, just like I can buy a security system and live in a bad
neighbourhood.  It would just be nice if they gave the same courtesy as
other leagues do is all.  It may be called RASCAR but beyond the name what
sets it apart from any other league?  Lots of sim people read RAS without
being part of RASCAR.  I just don't get the need for this to be the main
forums for it is all.  If every other league used it like this it would be
an utter mess.

Reminds me of the people that move into a neighbourhood and set their goal
on making as much noise as possible with no respect to the others.


here by R.A.S. readers who decided to go race.  Nothing
wrong with that.   Now, however, some people cry "foul"
Ummm...it IS from this newsgroup. So?  Creat an
didn't see anyone say that other leagues can't advertise
'cause the darn planes keep flying overhead...

ae

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by ae » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:32:01

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:16:16 -0300, "Schooner"


>Reminds me of the people that move into a neighbourhood and set their goal
>on making as much noise as possible with no respect to the others.

I wish I could mute my noisy neighbours with a simple keypress.

Andrew.

spar

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by spar » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:43:27

What's different about RASCAR? To me it's a place to race on Saturday, sort
of like the pickup hockey games that take place on the local rink every
Sunday morning. It is (or was anyway) informal, no points and few written
rules. You would generally know most of the participants and the most
important things were to have fun and get some excercize. The only real
requirement was the ability to respect your fellow racers/ players. If you
couldn't skate/ drive or you acted like a jerk you would hopefully get the
message in a friendly way and either work on it or phase out. Noone would do
anything but help someone who is making a solid effort to improve. Whether
this is or still will be true for Rascar remains to be seen. At least it's
still like that at the local rink

Spark

Schoone

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Schoone » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:48:45

If that were the case then I can see it being a part of RAS, a place to do a
pickup race with names you know but that is/wasn't the case.  It basically
became invite only with rules around car file names and then evolved into a
league with penalties and thus why I don't see it part of RAS.

It became a community series for select members, or at least that is how I
seen it as an outsider.


Mitch_

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Mitch_ » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:57:10

Well said Spark, and good memory.  I wish everyone could remember those
words :))

This is what I'd like to see return and am doing ANYTHING I can to make that
happen.  If it turns out somewhat different then its the group deciding, its
not me or any single person.  Why cant it work that way?

Mitch


Peter Ive

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Peter Ive » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:43:39



Well, I thought it was because ALL racers frequent r.a.s. not just some.
Am I mistaken in this?
--
Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington)
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If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :)
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Schoone

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of RASCAR

by Schoone » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:50:07

Yes, MOST sim racers probably do, but RASCAR would be a small portion of
those that do.
Again the ads for RASCAR are fine, all leagues do that here, its when every
second post is RASCAR that it becomes a bit much is all.




> >sigh - advertising a league is one thing, ongoing rants and multiple
daily
> >threads is another.

> >Yes I can filter it, just like I can buy a security system and live in a
bad
> >neighbourhood.  It would just be nice if they gave the same courtesy as
> >other leagues do is all.  It may be called RASCAR but beyond the name
> >what
> >sets it apart from any other league?

> Well, I thought it was because ALL racers frequent r.a.s. not just some.
> Am I mistaken in this?
> --
> Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington)
> Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email
> If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :)
> GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77


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