rec.autos.simulators

by **Tim Henni** » Sun, 02 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Has anyone created an Alan Kulwicki car for NASCAR RAcing? If so, could
you E-Mail it to me? Thanx!

-Tim Hennies
"Pay no mind to us, we're just a minor threat!"
"Racing is a part of me, it's in my ***."

by **TELLALLB** » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00

you can get it off off nascar secrets and strategies cd available at
better computer stores......

by **Jeff** » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Does Overclocking work? I just read about it in June Sim Racing News and
am interested in moving my P75 to a P90. Jeff

by **Eric Gile** » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> Does Overclocking work? I just read about it in June Sim Racing News and
> am interested in moving my P75 to a P90. Jeff

I had overclocked my system from 75MHz to 90MHz before I upgraded it.
The CPU had a large heatsink, and a fan was mounted to the front of
the case keeping it cool. I ran mine like this for about 6 months
with no problems whatsoever. It did slightly increase my frame rate
in ICR2 and NASCAR, as well as providing better overall performance.
I don't know what features your motherboard has, but my original
did not have a Triton chipset or pipeline burst cache. When I
upgraded to a Tyan Titan III, it made an even better improvement.
I would try it if I were you, just be sure your CPU had a fan and
a heatsink (some heatsink compound wouldn't hurt either).

Hope this helps...

Eric Giles

by **Scurvyd** » Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>Does Overclocking work? I just read about it in June Sim Racing News and
>am interested in moving my P75 to a P90. Jeff

Well to put in race sim terms its like setting your high gear short,
you'll run faster but playing with fire in the long run. IMHO the
risk aint worth it for the small increase.

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MP
Scurvydog #00 Simpson-Cowlings Motorsports
http://pages.prodigy.com/Scurvy/index.htm
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by **Daniel Desland** » Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:00:00

I tried it with my p120 to a p133 and it didnt work...every thing i try to play
(indycar2, duke3d) and win95 would crash almost immediately...i dont know if
thats because we need to change something in the bios setting but it didnt work

by **John Wallac** » Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:00:00

I have a P-133 that I bought for $210 and I'm running at 200Mhz. Now I
don't know what price the P-200 will be, but I'm getting a HUGE increase
in performance, which is matched only by the HUGE amount of money I've
saved.

It's not worth it.......?

Cheers!
John

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by **Torgeir Fos** » Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> >Does Overclocking work? I just read about it in June Sim Racing News and
> >am interested in moving my P75 to a P90. Jeff

> Well to put in race sim terms its like setting your high gear short,
> you'll run faster but playing with fire in the long run. IMHO the
> risk aint worth it for the small increase.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> MP
> Scurvydog #00 Simpson-Cowlings Motorsports
> http://pages.prodigy.com/Scurvy/index.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have my P90 running at 120Mhz. It works fine, but as MP wrote, it is a

risk to take. However, I would say that if your processor has a fan
either on it or blowing right at it, the temperature will be kept low
enough to avoid damage to the processor.

Torgeir

by **Jason Perkin** » Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> Does Overclocking work?

I just brought my P75 up to a P90, works great. I tried
for 100MHz but things started acting flaky. Still, I can
run NFS on medium graphics now, and for free!

by **David Otternes** » Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>> >Does Overclocking work? I just read about it in June Sim Racing News and
>> >am interested in moving my P75 to a P90. Jeff

>> Well to put in race sim terms its like setting your high gear short,
>> you'll run faster but playing with fire in the long run. IMHO the
>> risk aint worth it for the small increase.

>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> MP
>I have my P90 running at 120Mhz. It works fine, but as MP wrote, it is a
>risk to take. However, I would say that if your processor has a fan
>either on it or blowing right at it, the temperature will be kept low
>enough to avoid damage to the processor.

>Torgeir

Well, I have a p5-60 and am thinking about doing it to a 75 or 90... so you're
saying that if I have a regular fan blowing on it woth the cover off it shouldn't
mess up?? right now I'm using a towel as a cover as it is...

by **Double Clut** » Thu, 20 Jun 1996 04:00:00

says...

>>Well to put in race sim terms its like setting your high gear short,
>>you'll run faster but playing with fire in the long run. IMHO the
>>risk aint worth it for the small increase.

>I have a P-133 that I bought for $210 and I'm running at 200Mhz. Now I
>don't know what price the P-200 will be, but I'm getting a HUGE increase
>in performance, which is matched only by the HUGE amount of money I've
>saved.

>It's not worth it.......?

You are shortening the life of your processor, by how much I can't say. But if
the chip could sustain 200mhz for extended periods, don't you think Intel would
have marked it as a 200 and sold it that way? Any money you think you're saving
will be cancelled out when your pentium fails.

by **John Wallac** » Thu, 20 Jun 1996 04:00:00

writes

A Pentium 200 is currently worth hundreds of dollars.

When my "P200" fails in about three years it will be worth buttons, and
quite frankly I won't give a damn. Overclocking is about saving money
NOW on overpriced high-spec CPUs. No-one gives a damn about a P60 these
days, what does it matter if it fails?

As for Intel marking it as 200 and selling it that way, you don't know
much about marketing do you? For example, at the time my chip was sold,
Intel hadn't even released the P166!! How could they mark mine as a P200
and sell it when that wasn't a product? It depends upon market demand,
product strategy, competitor market position/pricing and their
production yield. It isn't as simple as "can make it, will sell it".

Cheers!
John

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by **Pete** » Thu, 27 Jun 1996 04:00:00

How does Intel test the maximum speed of a chip, anyway? I thought they wound it up to
the highest speed it would run before errors started appearing. If they base it on
the highest speed it will run before it self-destucts, how do they know? All pentium
chips are the same off the production line until they do the speed test, surely?

It reminds me of the joke about the idiot tester in a match factory :

<scrrittch> Yup, that one works.
<scrrittch> Yup, that one works.
<scrrittch> Yup.......

Pete
----

by **Douglas T. Mass** » Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>>You are shortening the life of your processor, by how much I can't say. But if
>>the chip could sustain 200mhz for extended periods, don't you think Intel would
>>have marked it as a 200 and sold it that way? Any money you think you're saving
>>will be cancelled out when your pentium fails.

> How does Intel test the maximum speed of a chip, anyway? I thought they wound it up to
> the highest speed it would run before errors started appearing. If they base it on
> the highest speed it will run before it self-destucts, how do they know? All pentium
> chips are the same off the production line until they do the speed test, surely?

> It reminds me of the joke about the idiot tester in a match factory :

> <scrrittch> Yup, that one works.
> <scrrittch> Yup, that one works.
> <scrrittch> Yup.......

Well, not quite. If Intel tests parts in the same manner that IBM does
(and they do), they run the part through a block of assembly code, at the
fastest speed, at the lowest voltage the part is rated for -- let's say 200 MHz.
If the results from that code are as expected, it's stamped as a 200 Mhz part;
if not, they try it again at 180 MHz (or whatever) and go right down the line
until they find a speed that it works at. The test only lasts about ten seconds,
but it designed to test the worst case conditions that can arise in the transitor
timing. The chip doesn't explode if it's a fail, it just returns a '0' somewhere
when it was supposed to return a '1'.

That's why overclocking chips works -- usually. You don't get necessarily get
a fail because you don't necessarily run the code that causes the chips worst-case
timing condition. But you might . . . Running at a higher frequency means the
chip draws more current, which means it will end-of-life sooner. How much sooner?
Probably not that much sooner. It's much worse if you raise the voltage you're
applying to the part as well as raising the frequency.

Overclocking your chip may produce unpredictable results, though. For instance,
the IBM 6x86 (same chip as the Cyrix 6x86) I use is rated at 120 Mhz, but I run
it at 133 for Nascar Racing without a problem. But if I want to log in to my
work account with a home terminal program, I need to switch back to 120. Weird,
but true. The part isn't guaranteed at 133 MHz, so I don't complain. YMMV.

Doug

by **Jeff Fly** » Sat, 29 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>>You are shortening the life of your processor, by how much I can't say. But
>>if the chip could sustain 200mhz for extended periods, don't you think Intel
>>would have marked it as a 200 and sold it that way? Any money you think
>>you're saving will be cancelled out when your pentium fails.

>How does Intel test the maximum speed of a chip, anyway? I thought they wound
>it up to the highest speed it would run before errors started appearing. If
>they base it on the highest speed it will run before it self-destucts, how do
>they know? All pentium chips are the same off the production line until they
>do the speed test, surely?

>It reminds me of the joke about the idiot tester in a match factory :

><scrrittch> Yup, that one works.
><scrrittch> Yup, that one works.
><scrrittch> Yup.......

>Pete
>----

Intel are going to put a hologram on their chips to prevent unscrupulous
resellers scraping the designated speed off and over clocking the processor

All chips were not created the same! and have a limited life at the over
clocked speed.

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