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by **Andrew R. Gillet** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> I know what you mean Macca. There are two lots of steering assist in GP3.
> One is in the normal driving aids, the other is in the Controller Setup.
> There is a bar that that says "Steering Assist" (or something like that),
> and it defaults to 100%. If you turn this down to 0%, then it will get rid
> of your problem.. You can only change this if you create a new setup option.
> Click on the right of screen to where it says "Unused" and set up your
> controller from scratch. This DOESN'T work when setting up a new keyboard
> setup !! (I don't know why though)

With keyboard control, steering assist is required to play the game -
otherwise it wouldn't be able to differentiate between turning round a
hairpin and taking a very slight corner. The steering assist turns you
part of the way, pressing the key brings it to the correct level of
steering. This is how it was in GP1 and 2, but the steering assist was
glitchy in GP2, causing you to spin sometimes through no fault of your
own. I haven't got GP3 yet so I don't know if this is fixed.

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by **Mats Lofkvis** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

[ comments I agree on deleted :-]

It's a mechanical fact that depends on the rotational inertia
of engine + flywheel in relation to the weight of the car...

F1 engines are extremely light weight (I heard ~100kg for
the complete engine) and I doubt they use much of a flywheel,
so I wouldn't be suprised if the F1's angular momentum at 3000
rpm was less than the Toyotas at 1000 rpm even if you compensate
for the difference in car weight.

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by **Bart Westr** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

You probably t have a high wing setup. Try braking late in a low wing setup,
you will get very different results than you got with GP2.

When driving with the keyboard some sort of steering help is needed since
you can only indicate neutral, full left and full right steering, and
therefor the game enforces it. Steering help limits the amount that the
front wheels can turn.
In GP2 almost no lock is allowed on straights, it is even so that if you end
up the wrong way on a straight after a spin in GP2, it is impossible to turn
around with steering help on unless you engage the "power turn gear" (shift
down from 1st) This is a clever invention to turn off the steering help
temporarily or at least allow a much greater lock. Some drivers use it on
purpose in tight low speed corners.
The keyboard driving in GP3 is quite improved I think. Instead of allowing
no lock at all on straights, you get some lock for a short while when you
press < or >, then the game steers you back. Same in turns when you steer
the wrong way. This allows you to move around other cars on your own (GP2
released the steering help when another car was around, making it difficult
to stay on the track). And also you can do power turns without the need of a
"power turn gear".

If you really want to drive where you want, you will need to use a wheel.
You can use a joystick without steering help, but that is very hard to do.

Brake then full throttle.

Bart Westra

by **Vintoo** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Don't try and argue with rrevved, he will just get mad and call you an idiot
and then post your life story for all to read.

Vintook

by **Jo Hels** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:51:10 +0200, "Bart Westra"

........

Actually I never had any problem turning around. Just make sure to
disable traction help, and it was very well possible to make the car
spin 180.

Haven't tested this yet, but it sounds good that this aspect has been
improved.

Like I said: was very well possible in GP2, too.

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by **Jo Hels** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Right. It would be totally unplayable.

Never happened to me. You just need to be GOOD enough :-)

Well, my first impressions were that GP2 is actually a little better
with the keyboard. But to be honest I haven't driven enough to really
compare it. Also only default setup until now.

JoH

by **Andrew R. Gillet** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

No, it was a bug. Take the example of the pit straight at Interlagos,
where the steering assist would sometimes try to turn you into the pits
while you were doing 180mph.

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Do you have steering help on? If so, it tries to guide you through the turn.
There are two different places you have to disable it, I think...

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

>>You can actually turn it off. I'm also EXTREMELY annoyed by the car
>>creeping when idling in gear, but I'm not sure if this is at all inaccurate,
>>since you *are* providing engine power to the "drive" wheels when you put in
>>gear. I think they overdid it, though.

>Luis:

>1) Go to your street car and rev the engine to 2500-3000 rpm
>(the idle speed of a modern F1)

>2) Drop your car into gear.

>3) Note what happens.

>4) Report back to us with your findings.

>Thanks.

If the idle speed alone will move the gar in gear, then how/why to the drivers
sometimes stall it coming out of the pits?

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

>Is it just me or are most of the problems, ***es and complaints about GP3
>easily fixed when people actually look at the game set-up and tweak it for
>each's individual needs. I mean Steering problems but they have steering
>help on?? Sheeeeesh guess I will find out how the game really is when it
>hits the US.

Most people are used to games that work correctly OUT OF THE BOX... Ok, I'll
give you the steering help. But, when calibrating the controller and graphics
takes an hour(or more, by some accounts), people tend to get pissed...
I really don't know HOW hard it is, because I'm in the US also. Just opinions.

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by **Eldre** » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

>>>>You can actually turn it off. I'm also EXTREMELY annoyed by the car
>>>>creeping when idling in gear, but I'm not sure if this is at all
>inaccurate,
>>>>since you *are* providing engine power to the "drive" wheels when you put
>in
>>>>gear. I think they overdid it, though.

>>>Luis:

>>>1) Go to your street car and rev the engine to 2500-3000 rpm
>>>(the idle speed of a modern F1)

>>>2) Drop your car into gear.

>>>3) Note what happens.

>>>4) Report back to us with your findings.

>>>Thanks.

>>If the idle speed alone will move the gar in gear, then how/why to the
>drivers
>>sometimes stall it coming out of the pits?

>When they stall, Eldred, have you ever noticed that the car
>tries to lurch forward?

Presumably, they're also on the gas at that point. If the idle speed is enough
to move the car by itself, then it shouldn't stall...

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00

>>Presumably, they're also on the gas at that point. If the idle speed is
>enough
>>to move the car by itself, then it shouldn't stall...

>>Eldred

>Thats not true, Eldred. When the clutch is released, a load is placed on
>the engine. If it hasn't got enough power, it will stall. Just like a normal
>car except made MUCH worse by the fact that a race car has next
>to no low-end torque and has a low rotational momentum. ie: a VERY
>light flywheel and drivetrain components.

>Trust me, Eldred , it will lurch forward and then sputter out unless
>it is revved to a high enough RPM prior to dumping the clutch .

>You have driven a manual shift street car haven't you?

Yes, years ago. My take on it was that the revs in idle were much to low to
'drive' the car. Thus, when you engaged the gear, it killed the engine. If
it's one of those 'momentary' drops that kills the engine, then I'll
agree(grudgingly<g>).

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