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Pentium Pros?

Stuart Boo

Pentium Pros?

by Stuart Boo » Mon, 26 Feb 1996 04:00:00





>>   Has anybody actually tried a Pentium Pro with max res and detail EF2K,
>>Indycar II, Descent, or any other demanding sim?  If so, did you see any
>>advantages?  

>Most of the Pros aren't shipping.  I ordered mine quite some time ago
>and it has still not shipped.  I understand that 150MHz ones are now
>going out slowly, but the 200MHz I ordered is still not really available.

Please let us know how ICR2 etc runs on your new PPro when you receive
it. I for one would be extremely interested in details as I wish to
upgrade me PC soon. The PPro is attractive, but, it has to be said,
performance of Papyrus' games is a prime requisite in any new upgrade,
alongside which OS I choose to go with (most likely WinNT v4.0 by
then)!!!!

Stuart
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MATTHEW BRYAN HA

Pentium Pros?

by MATTHEW BRYAN HA » Tue, 27 Feb 1996 04:00:00

: With the volume of machines that Dell moves, it would be a nightmare to
: have to support multiple OS's...

Not a good reason.  Besides, there wouldn't be that many 'extra' things to
load if it were OS/2.:) It only takes them a minute to install(Especially
for the pros that have done it more than once.).  Besides when you are
buying a (near?) top of the line piece of equipment for say $2k or $3K,
why shouldn't a company offer a few options.  Shoot, it's not brain
surgery to keep a tab and install an OS as they are sold.  It is the
almighty dollar/pound/yen...  that's driving this insanity.  Remember when
AT&T had the same idea? (Personally, I'm sorry AT&T got split, they
actually had a good quality product at a reasonable price, and did not try
to fool the public too much.)

: FWIW, my P100 ran DOS apps faster than a friend's P75... and when I
: upgraded to a 133 it got faster still. It does seem slower running DOS
: apps from a DOS PROMPT in W95, but in DOS mode it rips.

Yea, that's exactly what I was talking about.  In fact, 'real' DOS mode
is pretty darn close to _5 times_ faster than Windows DOS prompt.  Why
should I have to deal with/pay for that if I already own an older DOS
version that works better for what I'm gonna use it for?

Matt

MATTHEW BRYAN HA

Pentium Pros?

by MATTHEW BRYAN HA » Tue, 27 Feb 1996 04:00:00

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: b) I have a DELL P-133. I assume it's a clock doubled 66 Mhz processor
: and given that it has 512 Kb pipeline burst cache it runs at a damned
: good speed under DOS. Why do you believe a P-133 will only run as
: fast as a P-75 under DOS???????

Actually, I meant the P133 under Windows95 runs as fast as a P75 under DOS.
Sorry, 'bout that.

Matt

Mike Taylo

Pentium Pros?

by Mike Taylo » Fri, 01 Mar 1996 04:00:00

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I don't understand the above comment. What is it about Windows 95 which means a P133 runs
like a P75 in DOS????

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AJ Asbu

Pentium Pros?

by AJ Asbu » Fri, 01 Mar 1996 04:00:00




>: With the volume of machines that Dell moves, it would be a nightmare to
>: have to support multiple OS's...

>Not a good reason.  Besides, there wouldn't be that many 'extra' things to
>load if it were OS/2.:) It only takes them a minute to install(Especially
>for the pros that have done it more than once.).  Besides when you are
>buying a (near?) top of the line piece of equipment for say $2k or $3K,
>why shouldn't a company offer a few options.  Shoot, it's not brain
>surgery to keep a tab and install an OS as they are sold.  It is the
>almighty dollar/pound/yen...  that's driving this insanity.  Remember when
>AT&T had the same idea? (Personally, I'm sorry AT&T got split, they
>actually had a good quality product at a reasonable price, and did not try
>to fool the public too much.)

>: FWIW, my P100 ran DOS apps faster than a friend's P75... and when I
>: upgraded to a 133 it got faster still. It does seem slower running DOS
>: apps from a DOS PROMPT in W95, but in DOS mode it rips.

>Yea, that's exactly what I was talking about.  In fact, 'real' DOS mode
>is pretty darn close to _5 times_ faster than Windows DOS prompt.  Why
>should I have to deal with/pay for that if I already own an older DOS
>version that works better for what I'm gonna use it for?

>Matt

If you plan on running 16 bit apps, like many of the flight sim games (Falcon
for one), don't plan on too much performance on the P6 pros.  They are
optimized for 32 bit apps and your 16 bit apps will run _very_ slow on the
P6's.  I compared a P5 166 and a P6 166 (both loaded with Win95) and had the
following results:

32 bit apps screamed on the P6, but 16 bit apps slowed to a crawl
(approximately equal to a 486DX-33).  With this in mind, I'd opt for the P5
166 for flight sims and other games.

Just my $.02 FWIW

AJ

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Gregory Fu

Pentium Pros?

by Gregory Fu » Sun, 03 Mar 1996 04:00:00


I read somewhere that MS signs contracts with vendors like this:

MS lets the company use its operating system not by copy sold, but PCs
sold.  So if Dell sells a PC with another OS on it, they have to pay for
TWO OSs.  

Gregory Fung

Vancouver, B.C., Canada

Papyrus Racing Organization 95 Champion
IICC3 Ground Effects/Rebel Alliance Lola-Ford-Firestone

Jo

Pentium Pros?

by Jo » Sun, 03 Mar 1996 04:00:00


>MS lets the company use its operating system not by copy sold, but PCs
>sold.  So if Dell sells a PC with another OS on it, they have to pay for
>TWO OSs.  

This is true, and supposedly outlawed by last years consent decree
with the "Justice" department. The decree had no teeth, though, and
most observers agree Microsoft got off with a hand-slapping.

Joe

Do

Pentium Pros?

by Do » Sun, 03 Mar 1996 04:00:00


>32 bit apps screamed on the P6, but 16 bit apps slowed to a crawl
>(approximately equal to a 486DX-33).  With this in mind, I'd opt for the P5
>166 for flight sims and other games.

AJ,
        Thanks for the info!  This just confirms what a guy at the computer shop
had told me.

Dominic Tuso
Vancouver, Washington, USA

Joh

Pentium Pros?

by Joh » Fri, 08 Mar 1996 04:00:00


>I commented on this same fact about two weeks ago. I too have a Pro 200
>and IT DOES blow the doors off of a P5-166 in DOS using MS-DOS 6.20. For
>the first time I can run full resolution of ANY game I play and this
>includes Origins ***Mage at full screen SVGA. The initial slowdown was
>due to a bug in the Orion chipset and a patch HAS BEEN released!!!
>Please don't diss the P6 if you've never played it OR benchmarked it
>against a P5. I have P5 systems from 60 to 166Mhz and one P6. Guess which
>one benchmarks 16 bit code 50% faster than the rest?

That's because is a 200 mhz.  A p6-166 is about the same as a p5-166
running pure 16 bit code.  This what is pissing people off since
before every generation was approx. twice as fast at the same MHZ...
Run you p6 agains a p5-200 (w/ the cache running a a MUCH higher mhz
like on the p6) and I doubt you could notice the diff.

John


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