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On the other hand, would we be allowed to make jokes like that after, let's
say, 1 year? Reason I ask is that we are all a bit the victim of modern
media, hardly any1 remembers the tragic death of Roland Ratzenberger, an
austrian Formula1 driver, who died on the same weekend as Ayrton Senna. For
Senna, a gigantic media rumble had started, Brasil had turned into a unified
funeral, ppl from all over the world pilgrimed to Imola to lay down flowers
at the wall, etc etc., and Roland? He died silently, no1 knew him, no1
really cared after a month, difference between him and Ayrton was: Do I have
to explain? Now you can imagine the difference between the death of the 2
pilots and the assumption (sp?), Coulthard would have been killed in that
crash.
I for my point find it a great gesture from David, running around in
Silverstone grinning and joking, acting as if nothing had happened, while
deep inside of him it surely leaves traces. It's the same attitude I had
(and still have) despite a motorcycle crash I had 14 years ago: Rear tire
busted at about 50 mph, couldn't hold the machine, I walked away unhurt, but
had to watch my early pregnant girlfriend die on the spot as she got run
over by a car. Ok, I didn't grin the same week, didn't grin the same month
or year, but someday I learned that again..........
Life's too short to stick yer head in the sand, but sorry again.
cya
Maaki
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Yes....I think you probably _do_ have to explain, Markus.
As far as I recall nobody made any jokes about Senna's or Ratzenberger's
accidents. Senna's death, and the events that followed it, may have pushed
Ratzenberger's into the background, but nobody joked about either fatality.
Bad analogy, old mate. Try again.
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Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
If ppl feel the need to point out that its in bad taste fine. However there
was no need IMHO to put the guy down so hard for it. (thats the group ...
not you bruce)
Shane
> Yes....I think you probably _do_ have to explain, Markus.
> As far as I recall nobody made any jokes about Senna's or Ratzenberger's
> accidents. Senna's death, and the events that followed it, may have
pushed
> Ratzenberger's into the background, but nobody joked about either
fatality.
> Bad analogy, old mate. Try again.
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------
> > Well folks, I was thinking for quite some time before posting my little
> > annecdote (sp?) about a plane-crash in which 2 people died and 3
survived,
> > but then, I decided, this newsgroup can take it. As it turns out, it
> can't,
> > considering the bashing I get now. Maybe the wound is still too fresh
for
> > some of you guys, I'm sorry.
> > On the other hand, would we be allowed to make jokes like that after,
> let's
> > say, 1 year? Reason I ask is that we are all a bit the victim of modern
> > media, hardly any1 remembers the tragic death of Roland Ratzenberger, an
> > austrian Formula1 driver, who died on the same weekend as Ayrton Senna.
> For
> > Senna, a gigantic media rumble had started, Brasil had turned into a
> unified
> > funeral, ppl from all over the world pilgrimed to Imola to lay down
> flowers
> > at the wall, etc etc., and Roland? He died silently, no1 knew him, no1
> > really cared after a month, difference between him and Ayrton was: Do I
> have
> > to explain? Now you can imagine the difference between the death of the
2
> > pilots and the assumption (sp?), Coulthard would have been killed in
that
> > crash.
> > I for my point find it a great gesture from David, running around in
> > Silverstone grinning and joking, acting as if nothing had happened,
while
> > deep inside of him it surely leaves traces. It's the same attitude I had
> > (and still have) despite a motorcycle crash I had 14 years ago: Rear
tire
> > busted at about 50 mph, couldn't hold the machine, I walked away unhurt,
> but
> > had to watch my early pregnant girlfriend die on the spot as she got run
> > over by a car. Ok, I didn't grin the same week, didn't grin the same
month
> > or year, but someday I learned that again..........
> > Life's too short to stick yer head in the sand, but sorry again.
> > cya
> > Maaki
> > --
> > ________________________________
> > Check out my home once in a while:
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > ........still a lot of work to be done
> > ________________________________
But by the same token I will not make callous comments about any situation
which I consider to be sensitive and this (the Coulthard situation) is one
of them. And this has absolutely nothing to do with how we deal with
tragedies in different ways......it's basic decency.
I have been involved in "tragedies" enough down the years, both of a
personal nature and in those where I was on the fringes. I don't recall
anyone, myself included, wisecracking in a distasteful manner in order to
cope. To do so shows not only total disregard for the feelings of the
friends and relatives of those injured or killed but also displays a
complete lack of the most basic manners.
I make absolutely no apology for my stance on this.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
> If ppl feel the need to point out that its in bad taste fine. However
there
> was no need IMHO to put the guy down so hard for it. (thats the group ...
> not you bruce)
> Shane
> > (snip)
> > >Do I have to explain?
> > (unsnip)
> > Yes....I think you probably _do_ have to explain, Markus.
> > As far as I recall nobody made any jokes about Senna's or Ratzenberger's
> > accidents. Senna's death, and the events that followed it, may have
> pushed
> > Ratzenberger's into the background, but nobody joked about either
> fatality.
> > Bad analogy, old mate. Try again.
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------
> > > Well folks, I was thinking for quite some time before posting my
little
> > > annecdote (sp?) about a plane-crash in which 2 people died and 3
> survived,
> > > but then, I decided, this newsgroup can take it. As it turns out, it
> > can't,
> > > considering the bashing I get now. Maybe the wound is still too fresh
> for
> > > some of you guys, I'm sorry.
> > > On the other hand, would we be allowed to make jokes like that after,
> > let's
> > > say, 1 year? Reason I ask is that we are all a bit the victim of
modern
> > > media, hardly any1 remembers the tragic death of Roland Ratzenberger,
an
> > > austrian Formula1 driver, who died on the same weekend as Ayrton
Senna.
> > For
> > > Senna, a gigantic media rumble had started, Brasil had turned into a
> > unified
> > > funeral, ppl from all over the world pilgrimed to Imola to lay down
> > flowers
> > > at the wall, etc etc., and Roland? He died silently, no1 knew him, no1
> > > really cared after a month, difference between him and Ayrton was: Do
I
> > have
> > > to explain? Now you can imagine the difference between the death of
the
> 2
> > > pilots and the assumption (sp?), Coulthard would have been killed in
> that
> > > crash.
> > > I for my point find it a great gesture from David, running around in
> > > Silverstone grinning and joking, acting as if nothing had happened,
> while
> > > deep inside of him it surely leaves traces. It's the same attitude I
had
> > > (and still have) despite a motorcycle crash I had 14 years ago: Rear
> tire
> > > busted at about 50 mph, couldn't hold the machine, I walked away
unhurt,
> > but
> > > had to watch my early pregnant girlfriend die on the spot as she got
run
> > > over by a car. Ok, I didn't grin the same week, didn't grin the same
> month
> > > or year, but someday I learned that again..........
> > > Life's too short to stick yer head in the sand, but sorry again.
> > > cya
> > > Maaki
> > > --
> > > ________________________________
> > > Check out my home once in a while:
> > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > > ........still a lot of work to be done
> > > ________________________________
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
> Don't need to apologise, it just seem that people around here have no
> sense of humour at all.
> --
> The Drogo formely known as Poopy Face
> "Suck & *** & cook & clean,
> baby you know what I mean!"
Did I wisecrack? If so, does that imply that I "totally disregard" the above
feelings as well as that I "lack the most basic manners"? C'mon Bruce, gimme
a break, you know better than that, even though u might not really know
*me*. What irritates me the most is the use of the superlatives "total" and
"complete", but then again, I might be a little nitty-gritty.....
BTW, do u enjoy Monty Python's? Now *that's* tasteless, but I love em, even
tho I ain't no Brit! :)
xuse my sloppy english, still learning da language!
cya
Maaki
The difference is mate, that this is no private funeral or gathering where
mates know each other intimately. It is a worldwide public forum, where
absolutely anybody can walk in. As I said in a previous post, a relative of
one of those dead pilots lives a few streets down from me. What if that guy
was the brother of one of the correspondants in here?
Taking your analogy further, If you was burying a member of your family and
a stranger walked into the boneyard and started making wisecracks whilst the
women were weeping over the grave......OK I'm taking it to extremes here
but...............
As well of your famed and legendary humour, I hear you Aussies can get a
bit punch happy from time to time as well..
MS
Andre
On Sat, 6 May 2000 16:25:33 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"
>Yes....I think you probably _do_ have to explain, Markus.
>As far as I recall nobody made any jokes about Senna's or Ratzenberger's
>accidents. Senna's death, and the events that followed it, may have pushed
>Ratzenberger's into the background, but nobody joked about either fatality.
>Bad analogy, old mate. Try again.
Sorry.
Chris
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|What's a "Drogo"....apart from being a castle in Exeter?
|
|--
|Regards,
|Bruce Kennewell,
|Canberra, Australia.
|---------------------------
|
|> >Well folks, I was thinking for quite some time before posting my little
|> >annecdote (sp?) about a plane-crash in which 2 people died and 3
|survived,
|> >but then, I decided, this newsgroup can take it. As it turns out, it
|can't,
|> >considering the bashing I get now. Maybe the wound is still too fresh
for
|> >some of you guys, I'm sorry.
|>
|> Don't need to apologise, it just seem that people around here have no
|> sense of humour at all.
|>
|> --
|> The Drogo formely known as Poopy Face
|>
|> "Suck & *** & cook & clean,
|> baby you know what I mean!"
|
|
Monty Python is certainly tasteless in a lot of instances (the fat guy
exploding in "The Meaning of Life", for example. I recall quite vividly
several Japanese gentlemen getting up and walking out of a sales seminar
when that was shown whilst we were having after-dinner coffee!) but I don't
recall ever seeing, hearing or reading any of their scripts that made fun of
a recent situation involving fatalities.
You really just don't get it, do you?
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
> >What's a "Drogo"....apart from being a castle in Exeter?
> LOL
> Big typo here.
> I meant a Drongo, perhaps you need me to tell you what it is ;-)
> --
> The Drongo formely known as Poopy Face
> "Suck & *** & cook & clean,
> baby you know what I mean!"
Shane
> The difference is mate, that this is no private funeral or gathering where
> mates know each other intimately. It is a worldwide public forum, where
> absolutely anybody can walk in. As I said in a previous post, a relative
of
> one of those dead pilots lives a few streets down from me. What if that
guy
> was the brother of one of the correspondants in here?
> Taking your analogy further, If you was burying a member of your family
and
> a stranger walked into the boneyard and started making wisecracks whilst
the
> women were weeping over the grave......OK I'm taking it to extremes here
> but...............
> As well of your famed and legendary humour, I hear you Aussies can get a
> bit punch happy from time to time as well..
> MS
> > ppl deal with tragedies in different ways. As an aussie Bruce you know
> that
> > as a group we tend to take the***out of any situation
What more do you what him to say? Or do you just enjoy hounding people? I do
agree with you BTW, in the most part, but I can't see the point in going on
and on and on about it.
Cheers
>Monty Python is certainly tasteless in a lot of instances (the fat guy
>exploding in "The Meaning of Life", for example. I recall quite vividly
>several Japanese gentlemen getting up and walking out of a sales seminar
>when that was shown whilst we were having after-dinner coffee!) but I don't
>recall ever seeing, hearing or reading any of their scripts that made fun
of
>a recent situation involving fatalities.
>You really just don't get it, do you?
Concerning Monty Python's, well, they did not use recent situations, rather
they were more global. Example: Making fun of disabled is a big thread in
their repertoire, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% wouldn't find *that*
funny.......
Bruce, can we agree on the fact that in my original post I was simply
drawing a little sarcastic note concerning Formula One using the word
"wings" as the clue-word? With no intention to hurt the feelings of any1?
Yes, I *do* get it, but it seems you don't wanna switch viewpoints (or at
least try to understand them.......)
BTW, I heard that "joke" on a radio-station.....shall we sue them? :))
cya
Maaki
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Check out my home once in a while:
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