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by **Gerald Moo** » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:13:49

Towards the end of the race Tony Stewart self spun and without further
mishap got off the track and out of the way. Normally, this is not
cause for a yellow flag, but NASCAR decided to throw one here. I
wasn't suprised at all, and half expected that without this excuse,
they would have invented some debris on the track... Anyway, at the
green there are about 25 laps to go and the field is all bunched up
again, and faster than you can say "the big one", one-third of the
field is a pile of junk.

Comments?

If you want to make it *slightly* more on topic, you can also comment
on Dale Jarrett's blocking move that touched off this particular
powder keg.

Gerald

by **Tim Mise** » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:46:28

If there are still 25 laps left then they have to throw a yellow even if
Stewart is off the track. Are you saying that Stewart should just remain in
his car for the next 30 minutes? He can't get out of his car during a green
flag for obvious safety issues. I'm not sure what the solution is to avoid
the big one but I'm sure it isn't to stop thowing yellow flags.

I was disappointed that Nascar threw their planned yellow flag at lap 25 or
so even though it was already the 4th caution and all the cars had already
pitted it was definately not neccesary.

-Tim

by **Tim** » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:27:05

Tony shouldn't have even been on the track to begin with (IMO). He was
30+ laps down, and could no longer better his finish position. When
you're that many laps down, and you can no longer better your
position, he should have quietly parked the car and got out of the
way.

No different situation than a dozen other drivers have found
themselves in during plate races. Every other driver out there blocks
to protect his position, or go to the back of the pack.

Tim Wortman
North American Simulation Series
www.nasscar.com

by **Cliff Roma** » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:29:41

Stewert was not off the track.. he spun down to the asphault below the
apron, straightened out his car and kept going back to the pits

> If there are still 25 laps left then they have to throw a yellow even if
> Stewart is off the track. Are you saying that Stewart should just remain
in
> his car for the next 30 minutes? He can't get out of his car during a
green
> flag for obvious safety issues. I'm not sure what the solution is to
avoid
> the big one but I'm sure it isn't to stop thowing yellow flags.

> I was disappointed that Nascar threw their planned yellow flag at lap 25
or
> so even though it was already the 4th caution and all the cars had already
> pitted it was definately not neccesary.

> -Tim

> > Towards the end of the race Tony Stewart self spun and without further
> > mishap got off the track and out of the way. Normally, this is not
> > cause for a yellow flag, but NASCAR decided to throw one here. I
> > wasn't suprised at all, and half expected that without this excuse,
> > they would have invented some debris on the track... Anyway, at the
> > green there are about 25 laps to go and the field is all bunched up
> > again, and faster than you can say "the big one", one-third of the
> > field is a pile of junk.

> > Comments?

> > If you want to make it *slightly* more on topic, you can also comment
> > on Dale Jarrett's blocking move that touched off this particular
> > powder keg.

> > Gerald

by **Gerald Moo** » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:54:31

Yes, I mis-spoke. My main point was that he was off the racing
surface. If a car is not able to get under way, a caution is
required. By out of the way, I meant "headed for the pits".

In a hurry I guess,
Gerald

> Stewert was not off the track.. he spun down to the asphault below the
> apron, straightened out his car and kept going back to the pits

> > If there are still 25 laps left then they have to throw a yellow even if
> > Stewart is off the track. Are you saying that Stewart should just remain
> in
> > his car for the next 30 minutes? He can't get out of his car during a
> green
> > flag for obvious safety issues. I'm not sure what the solution is to
> avoid
> > the big one but I'm sure it isn't to stop thowing yellow flags.

> > I was disappointed that Nascar threw their planned yellow flag at lap 25
> or
> > so even though it was already the 4th caution and all the cars had already
> > pitted it was definately not neccesary.

> > -Tim

> > > Towards the end of the race Tony Stewart self spun and without further
> > > mishap got off the track and out of the way. Normally, this is not
> > > cause for a yellow flag, but NASCAR decided to throw one here. I
> > > wasn't suprised at all, and half expected that without this excuse,
> > > they would have invented some debris on the track... Anyway, at the
> > > green there are about 25 laps to go and the field is all bunched up
> > > again, and faster than you can say "the big one", one-third of the
> > > field is a pile of junk.

> > > Comments?

> > > If you want to make it *slightly* more on topic, you can also comment
> > > on Dale Jarrett's blocking move that touched off this particular
> > > powder keg.

> > > Gerald

by **SimRace** » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:38:15

I agree with your synopsis of the cause and affect on the 'big one', but am
unsure really of how much smoke Tony put down when he spun. If it was enough
to hinder view for guys behind him, then a yellow was needed. The WC guys
don't have the luxury of roof top view ;-)

Agreed, a very uncharacteristic move on DJ's part. Frank Stoddard (Jeff
Burton's crew chief) contends he heard the 88's spotter tell DJ "He's moving
low, block him!" and aided in the whole mess.

As an aside, I told the wife, around the 3rd caution, that it was starting
out so bad it almost looked like an online race at Daytona. LOL!

by **Doug Roger** » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:41:23

> >Towards the end of the race Tony Stewart self spun and without further
> >mishap got off the track and out of the way. Normally, this is not
> >cause for a yellow flag, but NASCAR decided to throw one here. I
> >wasn't suprised at all, and half expected that without this excuse,
> >they would have invented some debris on the track... Anyway, at the
> >green there are about 25 laps to go and the field is all bunched up
> >again, and faster than you can say "the big one", one-third of the
> >field is a pile of junk.

> Tony shouldn't have even been on the track to begin with (IMO). He was
> 30+ laps down, and could no longer better his finish position. When
> you're that many laps down, and you can no longer better your
> position, he should have quietly parked the car and got out of the
> way.

According to Jayski, Tony's spin came on lap 126. At that point, he
still could have *won the race*. More realistically, though, he could
have improved his position over any car that would drop out of the race.
It turns out Shawna Robinson did just that. When Tony got the 39th
position from Shawna, he parked it, finishing 49 laps down.

by **Larr** » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:06:20

I won't comment on the first because I think it's hogwash, but on the second
I will.

Jarrett screwed up. He pulled a "Mike Skinner" and he and others payed
dearly for it.

As I've stated earlier, I am far more dissapointed in the fact that he
didn't just own up to it than I am the fact he did it in the first place.
When he was interviewed afterwards, he was trying real hard to place the
blame elsewhere.

I don't know if anything has transpired since then.

This is another one of those incidents that shows how stupid blocking is.

-Larry

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