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T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

Ron R.

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Ron R. » Sun, 30 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Wondering which parts those of you who own a T2 wheel/pedal set are
experiencing the most wear/breakage with.
Being a machinist I figure to machine up a set of bushings/pedals/ a
base/ etc, to replace high wear rate components.
Thanks in advance.
Ron

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Mike Youn

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Mike Youn » Mon, 01 Jul 1996 04:00:00


> Wondering which parts those of you who own a T2 wheel/pedal set are
> experiencing the most wear/breakage with.
> Being a machinist I figure to machine up a set of bushings/pedals/ a
> base/ etc, to replace high wear rate components.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron

========
I broke the gas pedal spring twice on my T1. I've since given up on the
Thrustmaster pedals, and replaced them with CH rudder pedals. The CH
setup requires you use two feet, right for gas, left from brake, whereas
I could actually toe and heel (not that I want or need to) with the T1.
I'd be interested in hearing about your solution. It would perhaps be as
simple as heat treating the springs correctly, or adding a mechanical
stop on the back of the pedal unit.

I'm also teaching my eight year old son to play. He can't reach the
pedals at all, and I suspect the pedals are not situated ideally for me
in a desk chair. A simple foot stool with height and tilt adjustments
would be nice. I've tried milk crates, books, old joystick boxes... None
of them are stable enough to do the trick.

Mike.

Shawn D. koslof

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Shawn D. koslof » Mon, 01 Jul 1996 04:00:00


> Wondering which parts those of you who own a T2 wheel/pedal set are
> experiencing the most wear/breakage with.
> Being a machinist I figure to machine up a set of bushings/pedals/ a
> base/ etc, to replace high wear rate components.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron

Obviously, the springs for the pedals and the bungee for the wheel are
high wear parts. Also, watch out for breakage with the plastic
caps/runners that guide the bungee in the wheel housing.

Thrustmaster will send free spare parts out as soon as you contact them.
Too bad it breaks down so much. I got tired of the frequent repairs and
bought an ECCI wheel instead.

Shawn Kosloff
Hawaii Handle: Koz
Days Inn Racing Team
Arlington, VA
IVGA MP/HGNS/SSCRA

Shawn D. koslof

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Shawn D. koslof » Mon, 01 Jul 1996 04:00:00


> Wondering which parts those of you who own a T2 wheel/pedal set are
> experiencing the most wear/breakage with.
> Being a machinist I figure to machine up a set of bushings/pedals/ a
> base/ etc, to replace high wear rate components.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron

Obviously, the springs for the pedals and the bungee for the wheel are
high wear parts. Also, watch out for breakage with the plastic
caps/runners that guide the bungee in the wheel housing.

Thrustmaster will send free spare parts out as soon as you contact them.
Too bad it breaks down so much. I got tired of the frequent repairs and
bought an ECCI wheel instead.

Shawn Kosloff
Hawaii Handle: Koz
Days Inn Racing Team
Arlington, VA
IVGA MP/HGNS/SSCRA

Shawn D. koslof

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Shawn D. koslof » Mon, 01 Jul 1996 04:00:00


> Wondering which parts those of you who own a T2 wheel/pedal set are
> experiencing the most wear/breakage with.
> Being a machinist I figure to machine up a set of bushings/pedals/ a
> base/ etc, to replace high wear rate components.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron

Obviously, the springs for the pedals and the bungee for the wheel are
high wear parts. Also, watch out for breakage with the plastic
caps/runners that guide the bungee in the wheel housing.

Thrustmaster will send free spare parts out as soon as you contact them.
Too bad it breaks down so much. I got tired of the frequent repairs and
bought an ECCI wheel instead.

Shawn Kosloff
Hawaii Handle: Koz
Days Inn Racing Team
Arlington, VA
IVGA MP/HGNS/SSCRA

Shawn D. koslof

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Shawn D. koslof » Mon, 01 Jul 1996 04:00:00


> Wondering which parts those of you who own a T2 wheel/pedal set are
> experiencing the most wear/breakage with.
> Being a machinist I figure to machine up a set of bushings/pedals/ a
> base/ etc, to replace high wear rate components.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron

Obviously, the springs for the pedals and the bungee for the wheel are
high wear parts. Also, watch out for breakage with the plastic
caps/runners that guide the bungee in the wheel housing.

Thrustmaster will send free spare parts out as soon as you contact them.
Too bad it breaks down so much. I got tired of the frequent repairs and
bought an ECCI wheel instead.

Shawn Kosloff
Hawaii Handle: Koz
Days Inn Racing Team
Arlington, VA
IVGA MP/HGNS/SSCRA

Nick Totor

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Nick Totor » Mon, 01 Jul 1996 04:00:00

     <<I broke the gas pedal spring twice on my T1. I've since given up
on the Thrustmaster pedals, and replaced them with CH rudder pedals. The
CH setup requires you use two feet, right for gas, left from brake,
whereas I could actually toe and heel (not that I want or need to) with
the T1.>>

     Just out of curiosity... how were you able to heel & toe with your
T1? You'd have to twist your foot almost completely sideways. The roller
pedals lie parallel to each other at the top of the base, therefore I
think it would make heel & toe action quite uncomfortable if not
impossible.
     Getting back to the controllers, I enjoy my T2 immensely. As well,
it has proven to be much more durable than my T1 and feels more solid
and sturdy... more comfortable, also. Because of its stability, I'm able
to calibrate it more accurately. Combined with a Thrustmaster ACM, you
can get the feel extremely comfortable and responsive.
     My T1 started to go south after I had it a little less than a year.
My T2 isn't showing the same symptoms.
     Nick

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CMar..

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by CMar.. » Mon, 01 Jul 1996 04:00:00


>Obviously, the springs for the pedals and the bungee for the wheel are
>high wear parts. Also, watch out for breakage with the plastic
>caps/runners that guide the bungee in the wheel housing.

>Thrustmaster will send free spare parts out as soon as you contact them.

Where can I contact them?
Thanks,

Craig Marcho

Michael E. Carv

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Michael E. Carv » Mon, 01 Jul 1996 04:00:00

: I broke the gas pedal spring twice on my T1. I've since given up on the
: Thrustmaster pedals, and replaced them with CH rudder pedals. The CH
: setup requires you use two feet, right for gas, left from brake, whereas
: I could actually toe and heel (not that I want or need to) with the T1.
: I'd be interested in hearing about your solution. It would perhaps be as
: simple as heat treating the springs correctly, or adding a mechanical
: stop on the back of the pedal unit.

Until I put a stop at the rear of my T1 pedal unit, I too suffered
spring breakage.  Since having limited the travel, I have only had one
spring break.  This spring had been in use before I put the block of
wood on the rear porch of the pedal unit.  Therefore I assume it was
already stressed from travelling too far.

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Mike Youn

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Mike Youn » Mon, 01 Jul 1996 04:00:00


>      Just out of curiosity... how were you able to heel & toe with your
> T1? You'd have to twist your foot almost completely sideways. The roller
> pedals lie parallel to each other at the top of the base, therefore I
> think it would make heel & toe action quite uncomfortable if not
> impossible.

========
In most real cars, "toe and heel" is an inaccurate description of
rolling your foot to blip the gas while braking (duh). In all late model
production cars I've driven, pedal placement is such that it's much more
efficient to brake using the ball of the foot, and blip the gas with the
side of the foot. For me driving my wife's "sporty" little car, the
contact point is near the outside edge of the ball of the foot, just
below the junction of the 5th metacarpal (little toe) with the rest of
the foot -- literally "ball and toe" would be more accurate. On another
car in recent memory, the brake pedal was very high relative to the gas,
and the action might more accurately be described as "ball and ankle." I
have never driven a car where "toe and heel" was an accurate description
of the action, but the phrase causes no confusion on my part.

[My eight year old boy's foot is wide enough to cover both
pedals/rollers on the T1. Certainly your's is too?]

Glen Zielinsk

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Glen Zielinsk » Mon, 01 Jul 1996 04:00:00



> > In most real cars, "toe and heel" is an inaccurate description of
> > rolling your foot to blip the gas while braking (duh). In all late model
> > production cars I've driven, pedal placement is such that it's much more
> > efficient to brake using the ball of the foot, and blip the gas with the
> > side of the foot. For me driving my wife's "sporty" little car, the
> > contact point is near the outside edge of the ball of the foot, just
> > below the junction of the 5th metacarpal (little toe) with the rest of
> > the foot -- literally "ball and toe" would be more accurate. On another
> > car in recent memory, the brake pedal was very high relative to the gas,
> > and the action might more accurately be described as "ball and ankle." I
> > have never driven a car where "toe and heel" was an accurate description
> > of the action, but the phrase causes no confusion on my part.

> > [My eight year old boy's foot is wide enough to cover both
> > pedals/rollers on the T1. Certainly your's is too?]

>      Actually, I think I misrepresented my idea. I was trying to see if
> you had somewhat modified the base to be more realistic... I apologize
> as I should have been a bit more straightforward.
>      It would seem to be a good idea if there were enough room on the
> base to do so. It seems rather unrealistic that an actual race driver
> brakes with the left foot and accelerates with the right as one is more
> than likely going to do with a T1 or T2. There is a bit of imbalance and
> the brakes would more than likely suffer over time on a real car.
>      As far as the foot, yeah, I s'pose mine is wide enough to fit over
> both pedals but I can easily get a case of "fat feet" and take out the
> field at Pocono if I'm not careful   8 )
>      Nick

> ____________________________________________________________________

> #6 (will he be #28 in '97?) and #94 in the *real* quest for the Cup!
> My home away from home...  http://www.mindspring.com/~ntotoro/
> ____________________________________________________________________

Given that in both F1 and Indycar manual clutches are only employed in
the pits and on the starting grid, be they hand clutches or foot
clutches, it's actually entirely realistic to assume that everyone is
left foot braking. In fact, Paul Tracy admitted as much in a recent
CBC interview.
Nick Totor

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Nick Totor » Tue, 02 Jul 1996 04:00:00


> In most real cars, "toe and heel" is an inaccurate description of
> rolling your foot to blip the gas while braking (duh). In all late model
> production cars I've driven, pedal placement is such that it's much more
> efficient to brake using the ball of the foot, and blip the gas with the
> side of the foot. For me driving my wife's "sporty" little car, the
> contact point is near the outside edge of the ball of the foot, just
> below the junction of the 5th metacarpal (little toe) with the rest of
> the foot -- literally "ball and toe" would be more accurate. On another
> car in recent memory, the brake pedal was very high relative to the gas,
> and the action might more accurately be described as "ball and ankle." I
> have never driven a car where "toe and heel" was an accurate description
> of the action, but the phrase causes no confusion on my part.

> [My eight year old boy's foot is wide enough to cover both
> pedals/rollers on the T1. Certainly your's is too?]

     Actually, I think I misrepresented my idea. I was trying to see if
you had somewhat modified the base to be more realistic... I apologize
as I should have been a bit more straightforward.
     It would seem to be a good idea if there were enough room on the
base to do so. It seems rather unrealistic that an actual race driver
brakes with the left foot and accelerates with the right as one is more
than likely going to do with a T1 or T2. There is a bit of imbalance and
the brakes would more than likely suffer over time on a real car.
     As far as the foot, yeah, I s'pose mine is wide enough to fit over
both pedals but I can easily get a case of "fat feet" and take out the
field at Pocono if I'm not careful   8 )
     Nick

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My home away from home...  http://www.mindspring.com/~ntotoro/
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Mike Youn

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Mike Youn » Tue, 02 Jul 1996 04:00:00


>      It would seem to be a good idea if there were enough room on the
> base to do so. It seems rather unrealistic that an actual race driver
> brakes with the left foot and accelerates with the right as one is more
> than likely going to do with a T1 or T2.

========
The CH pedals are laid out much better for two footed driving than the
T1. I haven't tried shifting the brake roller to the unoccupied
left-most slot, but two footed driving never seemed a good idea until I
started using the CH pedals. I find I'm transitioning much more smoothly
from gas to brake to gas than I could ever with one foot. (One footed
driving is not an option with CH.)

========
Barefoot is the only way to do this safely. :)

In real life, I don't even back out of the driveway without adjusting
the seat until everything is just "so". In ICR, I find I'm constantly
scooching my office chair around, or kicking the pedals back into place.
There has to be a better way...

Mike.

Michael Kirt

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by Michael Kirt » Tue, 02 Jul 1996 04:00:00


>Where can I contact them?
>Thanks,
>Craig Marcho

Try (503)639-3200. I tried sending them email but they never answered.
I called them and had the parts 3 days later.

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Michael Kirton

William Rowa

T2 Wear & Tear question for those who own one.

by William Rowa » Tue, 02 Jul 1996 04:00:00

. It seems rather unrealistic that an actual race driver

Actually it is now common in F1 to brake with the left foot on a
two pedal setup. The best way to achieve this on a T1 is to
take the brake roller off and reverse it - ie roller on left and
nut on the right. You can then have your feet a comfortable
distance apart, and after a short time it will improve your
driving. You can feather the throttle better whilst dabbing
the brakes.

Just think of yourself as a F1 driver who has never used a manual
gearstick, or maybe a Finnish rally driver. You can't heel and toe
anyway with a semi-automatic transmission, so why try to simulate it.
Its ancient history.

William.


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