rec.autos.simulators

by **Douglas Elliso** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

A few months ago I looked in on RAS and it was full of sensible debate on
most racing games, (esp GPL) and got a lot of thanks and a lot of flaming
for telling people to chill out re: GPL - a Sim / Arcade- GAME!

I'm gonna say it again people..

Where there is Software - there is Warez.

People will download software - so stop flaming them - it's going to achieve
ZERO - ZIP.

I'm awaiting my pre-order of GP3 from Gameplay.com - and havn't got the
b/width to download it - I honestly don't know if I would - probably not!

So - those of you who downloaded it - USE YOUR HEADS and don't brag about
it here - it's just gonna get tempers flaired...

Those of you who object to warez - USE YOUR HEADS and realise that nothing
you say can un-download something that's already on someones HDD!

And by the way - I've been thanked for having a reasonable attitude re: Most
things in RAS in the past - and I'll be posting my considered opinion on GP3
when it arrives on my doormat! I hope the people saying it's Good are
right, and those calling it gp2.5 are wrong - but frankly - It's 30 - and
I've been waiting for 3 years for this!

Doug

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On the basis of that argument, Douglas, why bother hunting down a mass
***er.....it's something that will always happen?
Why go to the lengths of bringing to justice a drug pusher.....it's
something that will always happen?
If your personal effects are stolen, why bother whinging about it.....it's
something that will always happen?

Just because it HAPPENS doesn't mean that we have to live with it. Death
from diptheria, tuberculosis or whooping cough was once considered somethig
to live with. Fortunately some people decided otherwise.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

by **Andre Warrin** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:05:35 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

>On the basis of that argument, Douglas, why bother hunting down a mass
>***er.....it's something that will always happen?

You're comparing people who download warez to mass ***ers? ok...

Andre

>Why go to the lengths of bringing to justice a drug pusher.....it's
>something that will always happen?
>If your personal effects are stolen, why bother whinging about it.....it's
>something that will always happen?

>Just because it HAPPENS doesn't mean that we have to live with it. Death
>from diptheria, tuberculosis or whooping cough was once considered somethig
>to live with. Fortunately some people decided otherwise.

>--
>Regards,
>Bruce Kennewell,
>Canberra, Australia.
>---------------------------

>> A few months ago I looked in on RAS and it was full of sensible debate on
>> most racing games, (esp GPL) and got a lot of thanks and a lot of flaming
>> for telling people to chill out re: GPL - a Sim / Arcade- GAME!

>> I'm gonna say it again people..

>> Where there is Software - there is Warez.

>> People will download software - so stop flaming them - it's going to
>achieve
>> ZERO - ZIP

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

It's an analogy, Andre.
I am not literally comparing the crime of mass *** to that of theft.
It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the
analogy.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:05:35 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >On the basis of that argument, Douglas, why bother hunting down a mass
> >***er.....it's something that will always happen?

> You're comparing people who download warez to mass ***ers? ok...

by **m.seer** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

No he was using comparative analogies. Subtle difference.

MS

by **Andre Warring** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:52:06 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

>It's an analogy, Andre.
>I am not literally comparing the crime of mass *** to that of theft.
>It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the
>analogy.

I understand that Bruce, I just meant to say that there is big
difference between dowloading warez -to- -test- -before- -you- -buy-
and all the other crimes you mentioned...

Andre

by **Marc Collin** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Of course. The problem is many people don't just do it to test...stealing
software (and music) is a way of life. You won't find too many people
espousing the "let's buy 2 copies of title X to support the developers"
mentality outside of the fanatic community of any particular genre.

I have the GP3 warez and I also got the F12000 warez (first time for me). I
have no qualms about testing these titles and I wouldn't keep warez, but I
do fear that the plethora of discussion about it here will encourage the
less than savoury use of it. I believe we should feel free to discuss
reviews/impressions of warez, but should eliminate all the frenzied
salivating about where to get things, etc.

Unfortunately, the hype machinery (in here in r.a.s. and from the
marketeers) is so difficult to penetrate and the so-called independent
reviews in magazines and on the 'Net are ludicrously unreliable...and demos
either come out months after the fact or not at all...and publishers are
insane enough to release products in one continent months ahead of
others....

I am 1,000,000 times more worried about Napster than I am about a few
fanatical r.a.s.'ers not being patient enough to wait for the retail release
of the most anticipated racing title of the past few years.

Marc.

> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:52:06 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >It's an analogy, Andre.
> >I am not literally comparing the crime of mass *** to that of theft.
> >It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the
> >analogy.

> I understand that Bruce, I just meant to say that there is big
> difference between dowloading warez -to- -test- -before- -you- -buy-
> and all the other crimes you mentioned...

> Andre

by **Aubre** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

BURN IN HELL, YOU BORING, PUTRID, NON-COMMITTAL, NEUTRALITY-FASCIST BASTARD!

Personally, I think people who download warez should be strung up by their
stinking bowels.

:o)

A

by **Andre Warring** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:34:42 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

>By the simple fact that you've expanded your "I understand that...."
>statement you indicate that you DON'T understand the analogy.

<sigh>
I do understand what you're saying Bruce. I wast just explaining what
I meant in the first place.
Never mind, not important :)

Andre

>--
>Regards,
>Bruce Kennewell,
>Canberra, Australia.
>---------------------------

>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:52:06 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

>> >It's an analogy, Andre.
>> >I am not literally comparing the crime of mass *** to that of theft.
>> >It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the
>> >analogy.

>> I understand that Bruce, I just meant to say that there is big
>> difference between dowloading warez -to- -test- -before- -you- -buy-
>> and all the other crimes you mentioned...

>> Andre

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

By the simple fact that you've expanded your "I understand that...."
statement you indicate that you DON'T understand the analogy.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:52:06 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >It's an analogy, Andre.
> >I am not literally comparing the crime of mass *** to that of theft.
> >It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the
> >analogy.

> I understand that Bruce, I just meant to say that there is big
> difference between dowloading warez -to- -test- -before- -you- -buy-
> and all the other crimes you mentioned...

> Andre

by **Ken Bear** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Yeah, like all the warez defenders who say it's like test-driving a car,
etc. - when it's more like robbing the car at midnight and driving it for a
week, or a few years.

I do vehemently agree with the original post on one point - if these folks
steal the stuff, more damn power to them - that's THEIR conscience that has
to deal with it - but don't tell ME about it HERE. It's not the place.
Don't tell me you did something illegal, and I probably won't know about
t - or care. Bring it up here and you MADE it my issue.

--
Ken's Sig 3.1

"Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?"
- Obi-Wan Kenobi

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R.I.P Adam

by **Olav K. Malm** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> So - those of you who downloaded it - USE YOUR HEADS and don't brag about
> it here - it's just gonna get tempers flaired...

What amazes me is all the people who is posting with full names in a
public forum that they have stolen software on their computer. The
police might have a field day.

Another this all this issue has brought to this newsgroup is the bad
language. As you, I just can't belive how this pretty wellbehaved
newsgroup has turned into a shouting ground. On the High Gear GP3
forum someone is calling everyone else a idiot and pathetic
losers. Very positive.

I think this is my two arguments in this messy matter, I would stick
my hand into a beecube if I start to argument for/agains something
specific going on no matter what opinion I have, so I think I'll just
shut up :)

--
Olav K. Malmin
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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Okay, Andre.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:34:42 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >By the simple fact that you've expanded your "I understand that...."
> >statement you indicate that you DON'T understand the analogy.

> <sigh>
> I do understand what you're saying Bruce. I wast just explaining what
> I meant in the first place.
> Never mind, not important :)

> Andre

> >--
> >Regards,
> >Bruce Kennewell,
> >Canberra, Australia.
> >---------------------------

> >> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:52:06 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >> >It's an analogy, Andre.
> >> >I am not literally comparing the crime of mass *** to that of
theft.
> >> >It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the
> >> >analogy.

> >> I understand that Bruce, I just meant to say that there is big
> >> difference between dowloading warez -to- -test- -before- -you- -buy-
> >> and all the other crimes you mentioned...

> >> Andre

by **Simon Brow** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I know you think that when people say they are really gonna go out and buy
the game after downloading it, that they are lying through their teeth, but
some of us actually mean it. Again, tell me where the official Microprose
GP3 demo can be found, every other company has managed one...

by **Goy Larse** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> > So - those of you who downloaded it - USE YOUR HEADS and don't brag about
> > it here - it's just gonna get tempers flaired...

> What amazes me is all the people who is posting with full names in a
> public forum that they have stolen software on their computer. The
> police might have a field day.

> Another this all this issue has brought to this newsgroup is the bad
> language. As you, I just can't belive how this pretty wellbehaved
> newsgroup has turned into a shouting ground. On the High Gear GP3
> forum someone is calling everyone else a idiot and pathetic
> losers. Very positive.

> I think this is my two arguments in this messy matter, I would stick
> my hand into a beecube if I start to argument for/agains something
> specific going on no matter what opinion I have, so I think I'll just
> shut up :)

I'm not saying that I've never DL'ed illegal software and I'm not saying
that I've done it, but if it was the latter, I wouldn't come to a public
NG and talk about it, and that's all I'm asking in this matter, keep it
off of this NG please

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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