rec.autos.simulators

>> Sheesh, Ken!! I was willing to ignore this thread until you spouted
>> off and made yourself look like a complete ***.  Just about
>> everybody that reads the ***you guys spew out on the web views it as
>> biased.  If it is, fine.  If it isn't, that's great.  But that doesn't
>> give you the right to be a ***.

>I see...so if someone calls you a *** and an *** and you mirror it back
>to them, then you are condemned for defending yourself? I sense a double
>standard here. Ever heard of don't dish it out if you can't take it? I don't
>believe that I am the one who began the name calling. John called me a ***
>and an *** after I simply responded to someone who accused me of not doing
>research. I then told them to do research before pointing the finger. I didn't
>attack anyone personally or call anyone names. John did that and I simply threw
>his names back at him? Yet you say you agree with him. That is your right,
>however there is definately a double standard here.
>                                                               Ken
>The Game Pad
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> What a coincidence!!!! They are getting their heads handed to them by
> Creative's earlier release date and better product options (ie 12mb
> board which Diamond says we dont need) with people all over the world
> cancelling their Diamond pre orders to get the Creative Voodoo2
> offerings and all of a sudden Diamond finds a bug. oooh yea....sounds
> right to me. Actually Diamond has just convinced me that they are
> completely full of shit....and that if I were 3dfx I would strongly
> wonder whether they should continue being one of my partners.

> Scott Sellers of 3dfx has already posted on the 3dfx newsgroup....to
> paraphrase in my words....DIAMOND is full of shit. The Voodoo2 has
> been tested extensively in both artificial heat and cold with varying
> voltages and other creative things that might be found in some
> geniuses home computer....it passed those tests...needless to say.

> Yes I think that covers all that needs to be said of Diamonds shitty
> attempt to gain market share. Full of shit.

> PAPA DOC

> >Diamond has discovered overheating problems in the Vodoo II. Read about
> >it at http://gamepad.org/

> Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
> Infamous
> Pink Flamingo Pilot...

>>>Diamond has discovered overheating problems in the Vodoo II. Read about
>>>it at http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>>There is no overheating problem.  Diamond has fabricated this story to
>>cast doubt into the minds of those who are buying Creative's Voodoo2
>>boards.  If you'd bother to research it instead of using it to get
>>hits on your page, you would find many inaccuracies within.

>Let Gamecenter know what you think of their continuing attempts to
>sabotage 3DFX.

>Whoa Papa, tell us how you really feel about it. Long time no get shot
>down- Mike "Longhorn" Davis
>    "Fly Low and Avoid Enemy Radar."

>> What a coincidence!!!! They are getting their heads handed to them by
>> Creative's earlier release date and better product options (ie 12mb
>> board which Diamond says we dont need) with people all over the world
>> cancelling their Diamond pre orders to get the Creative Voodoo2
>> offerings and all of a sudden Diamond finds a bug. oooh yea....sounds
>> right to me. Actually Diamond has just convinced me that they are
>> completely full of shit....and that if I were 3dfx I would strongly
>> wonder whether they should continue being one of my partners.

>> PAPA DOC

>> Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
>> Infamous
>> Pink Flamingo Pilot...

> Lets face it, guys, he has a constitutional right to be a *** and an
> ***, it is under the First Ammendment of the Constitution.
> Wheither or not we give him any credibiltiy in the future is up to us.

> I found nothing in Ken's response to warant being called an "***" several
> times.  He should have worded his initial message more carefully instead of taking
> Diamond's announcement as fact, but skewer him for that.  The way some went off on
> his perfectly calm and logical response just makes themselves look bad.

> And yes, I find Diamond's tactics absoutely abhorrent.

>What a coincidence!!!! They are getting their heads handed to them by
>Creative's earlier release date and better product options (ie 12mb
>board which Diamond says we dont need) with people all over the world
>cancelling their Diamond pre orders to get the Creative Voodoo2
>offerings and all of a sudden Diamond finds a bug. oooh yea....sounds
>right to me. Actually Diamond has just convinced me that they are
>completely full of shit....and that if I were 3dfx I would strongly
>wonder whether they should continue being one of my partners.

>>What a coincidence!!!! They are getting their heads handed to them by
>>Creative's earlier release date and better product options (ie 12mb
>>board which Diamond says we dont need) with people all over the world
>>cancelling their Diamond pre orders to get the Creative Voodoo2
>>offerings and all of a sudden Diamond finds a bug. oooh yea....sounds
>>right to me. Actually Diamond has just convinced me that they are
>>completely full of shit....and that if I were 3dfx I would strongly
>>wonder whether they should continue being one of my partners.

>It should be interesting to see if 3dfx has any "problems" getting Diamond
>their quota of V2 chips :)

> ***in' A. Cut out the middleman and lets just send our money directly to
> 3dfx. They deserve it a hell of a lot more than Diamond or Creative. I hate
> middlemen. They don't deserve a dime.

> Jeff

>> ***in' A. Cut out the middleman and lets just send our money directly to
>> 3dfx. They deserve it a hell of a lot more than Diamond or Creative. I
hate
>> middlemen. They don't deserve a dime.

>> Jeff

>Well, the word middlemen is not the right one for board makers. 3Dfx
>produces
>chip sets, they don't do the boards. So you don't want to pay Diamond or
>Creative for producing the boards? Hmm, where do we plug those chips
>from
>3Dfx?? ;^)

>BTW, I probably will rethink my decision to buy the next Voodoo board
>from
>the "jewel company"...

>l8er
>ronny

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>So why doesn't 3dfx just contract to make the boards themselves and sell
>them direct, as well as distributing them? They'd make a LOT more money.
>Creative and Diamond are hardly DESIGNING boards, they take the 3dfx
>reference design/drivers and produce it, then slap little "DIAMOND" and
>"CREATIVE" logos on both. Hardly a feat of engineering genius.