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I was watching The glen today and I noticed that the crs looked
like they held the corners real well.

        I jumped in my ofice chair and the car would just not the glen.
And if I drove a bad corner and over steered a little it would wish tail
uncontollably. The track is like a gym floor! and the grass is like ice!
When is saw rusty in the grass and it was really hard to turn
(really had to turn it hard).... the exact opposite on nasscar it spins
out if you just nudge it!
(comments?)
--Kai Fuller

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Your setup and driving style needs work.

No, it's NOT a traction problem.  Like Kai, your setup and your driving style
needs work.  

  Setup hint - make the car favor right-hand turns (and give it some more
                     rear bias).

  Driving hint - don't jam on the brakes and don't suddenly release them (same
                       goes for accelerator).  

Listen to the skidding sounds the car makes too.  That's the best replacement
for not actually being able to feel the car breaking loose.

I can turn 119 mph laps at WG (with my race setup), and there are other people
kicking down low 120's.  Can you say "PRACTICE"?

<g>

Dave "davids" Sparks
Late Nite League
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Try turning toward the track, let off the throttle, and "tap" the brake.
..works for me.   I don't generally have to slow down that much to get off of the wall.
Mike

        I think that this is pretty realistic.  I've seen cars get stuck on
the outside wall and not be able to turn off because the right front wheel is
too damaged.

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I've noticed whenever people have fair amounts of difficulty at any sim
situation, they seem to blame the sim for being unrealistic. ;)

Actually, more rear bias seems to get the car harder to control under
braking and turn-in.   I run just about 50/50 at the Glen, I do have softer
rear shocks than up front.

definately.  Smoothness is EVERYTHING in driving, just like in real life.

you may be interested to know there is a sim series on the net that purely
races NASCARs on road courses converted from icr2.  ITCC does this to
simulate touringcars. (Have you seen NATCC?  awesome!)  If you're
interested check this out.  We just ran the first race at portland last
weekend and Glen's due this Sat.  goto

http://www.io.org/~succeed/itcchome.html

ttyl!

Gregory Fung

Vancouver, B.C., Canada

IICC3 Rebel Alliance Lola/Ford/Firestone
ITCC Player's Ltd. Audi A4

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Thanks, but no thanks.  I'm a NASCAR fan and that's all I really want to
drive (although I do have ICR2, more out of curiosity than anything else).  I
like the way races are done, the paintjobs, and the body styles.  

What would make NASCAR Racing a really cool sim is if Papy provided different
shape models - one for the cars, one for trucks, and maybe a couple more for
nostalgic racing (car shapes from the 60's and 70's).  After they have that
figured out, a couple more road courses like Riverside (even though it no
longer exists) would be a good addition to the sim.

Other tracks I'd like to see added are Bakersfiled, Homestead, the new Dallas
track, and Las Vegas.

I like racing on road courses once in a while, but turnin' right  just ain't
natural.

[snipped -- excellent information]
: > Also,  something that could be similar.  Sometimes,  I'll hit the wall in ANY
: > track, and get "stuck" on it.  You'll have to slow to about 10 MPH if you expect
: > to get off the wall.  This is unrealistic, [I] think this should be fixed.

:         I think that this is pretty realistic.  I've seen cars get stuck on
: the outside wall and not be able to turn off because the right front wheel is
: too damaged.

Even if the RF is not damaged, it can be "wedged" up against the wall.
This will prevent you from turning left.  By slowing down you are
allowing the car to slide a little off the banking and away from the
wall.  Allowing you to turn left and pull away from the wall.

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Gee, John.... I think you're really missin' out here!   :-)

Hey, just kidding.  

Two wrongs don't make a right, but 3 rights sometimes make a left!
Mike