1989 - 2000
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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
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-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
A very dissapointed,
Chris
On a side note--This makes SCGT and TOCA2 look in good shape for sim of the
year....unless either GP3, Spirit of Speed 1939 (is that the title), or TransAm
68-72 is better (which sounds like they will).
>1989 - 2000
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I just fear that Papyrus is not the company we all knew they were... Those
people are not corporate business man. They are young guns, with talent,
the leads in the industry that kept pushing the limits of racing simulation
all those years and developing technology. This is the Papyrus that we
know.
From the E3 reports, it has disappeared, probably under the shiny wax of
Sierra Sports (a.k.a. the Business corporation).
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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
I admit Im disappointed with Papy for not admitting this sooner though. Hell...
their web site and message board still said "based on the GPL physics engine."
However, N3 (N2000) can still be a great release IF they can take the N99 physics
engine and build upon it with the 3d physics which allow cars to get airborne and
more chassis "feel". Im not sure if its possible, but Im hopeful. It will also
have more setup options, however not as many as originally stated. They also need
to seriously upgrade the graphics (D3D and OpenGL), multiplayer capability, and
add dynamic damage, skid marks, etc. Who knows if we ar going to get the 18
tracks that is stated for release with N3. Im sure they will still have a BGN
pack to sell to bring in more revenue $$$ Probably continue to see Chassis 1,
Chassis 2, etc as well which is not big deal as long as the "open" ability remains
for designing your own paint jobs and improving the sim as Papy products have a
history of allowing.
Another key appears to be that TEN will no longer be the exclusive realm for
NASCAR racing. What will that mean for TEN? Will the NROS live on or die off as
individuals form leagues hosted on their own servers? Or will we see a VROC type
system for NASCAR?
Alot of questions and very few answers because Papy/Sierra wont tell anyone
anything.
Lets just put it this way... GPL is going to be THE sim for quite some time yet
<VBG>, and thats not SO bad!! Hell... I only "know" 2 or 3 tracks so far
anyways. Still a ton to learn in GPL. Heck... I still need work on my N2
setups at some tracks <G>
I may be a die hard NASCAR fan, but I will NOT spend a nickel on a rebadged N99
when I wouldnt even buy N99! So there had better be some serious upgrades and
improvements.... or its going to be a disappointing year for sim racing.
Whats the latest on the "if" with Trans-Am Racing ??
Scott
PA-Scott
G.T.S. Racing - http://www.GTS-Racing.com
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Actually, I agree. I just feel cheated by what's happening. Already many
of us saw that NR99 was extremely buggy. There was too many stuff. A
Ferrari chassis with a Renault 2CV engine. They didn't released a patch.
We all had doubts about the seriousness of Papyrus. I think that what they
just said officialised that Papyrus is not the same as before. They are a
different company now, who went towards the money instead of developing
their engine and being the leader in the industry. They got squeezed by
Sierra Sports.
Of course, If NR2000 has some nice additions, Dynamic Skid marks, a physic
increase as was N2 towards N1, better resolution, full Windows support, and
NROS support, It will sell pretty well. But it's not the Papyrus of
before. I guess we now need to accept that.
But who has the guts to do so ? Remember It's National Security we are
talking here <grin> ;-)
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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
That Papy had GPL well in the works at the time (I think) would be the only
reason it came out so well. The marketing whizzes (pun intended) at Sierra
just could not keep their grubby little paws off a good thing.
I mourn.
Mikey
|PAPY...your killing me here!!!! Im sure i dont speak for everyone...but id
|rather the sim be delayed (with in reason....a couple months maybe) so we
can
|get the GPL Physics or something VERY close. Anyone else share my
|opinion....anyone?
|
|A very dissapointed,
|Chris
|
|On a side note--This makes SCGT and TOCA2 look in good shape for sim of the
|year....unless either GP3, Spirit of Speed 1939 (is that the title), or
TransAm
|68-72 is better (which sounds like they will).
The whole thing about sequels worrys me too, (versions released in 2001
and 2002) This is just an excuse to make a crappy version this year and
trying to fix it next year! (it sounds too much like EA to me, NHL1999
anyone?) The only thing I can see that just *might* be good about this
is that N2000 might not be as taxing on systems as it would be
implemented with GPL. Although a lot would have to be changed from
NR1999 to N200 to make that point a good one. After four years between
N2 and N2000, I hope when I try the demo it doesn't feel like N2 with
nicer graphics and some added features!
Later,
John (who is worried he might not as quickly run out the the store to buy
N2000, unlike GPL)
The whole thing about sequels worrys me too, (versions released in 2001
and 2002) This is just an excuse to make a crappy version this year and
trying to fix it next year! (it sounds too much like EA to me, NHL1999
anyone?) The only thing I can see that just *might* be good about this
is that N2000 might not be as taxing on systems as it would be
implemented with GPL. Although a lot would have to be changed from
NR1999 to N200 to make that point a good one. After four years between
N2 and N2000, I hope when I try the demo it doesn't feel like N2 with
nicer graphics and some added features!
Later,
John (who is worried he might not as quickly run out the the store to buy
N2000, unlike GPL)
This worrys me as well. As for the comparison to NHL 99....i could make one
but i cant get my (explicitives insulting EA sports deleted) copy to
work!!!!!!!! Ive tried everything. But i wont rant about that here....wrong
game.
I noticed this most in N99. Not a good sign of things to come if you ask me.
Granted GPL was in development druing those years after N2 was released
(probably the last GREAT Papy sim) but in 3(?) years they couldnt make it any
better than they did? Plus the lost alot of liscenses (paint shop had no real
decals and the was the Chassis 1,2, &3 thing). Granted those have both been
fixed in my copy (thanks to The Pits for all your patches to N99). But i
really dont think it should befall the consumer to fix these things.
In closing its Sierra Sports trying to beat EA....i say let EA be EA and give
Papy theyre freedom back!!!
Chris
Sierra are a big publisher and as such anyone waiting for a game from their
developers blames them for the problems and the developer for the good
parts. The relationship is close between developers and publishers
regardless of whether they are owned or just dealing with them for a short
period.
Why not wait and see before calling them names?
M
>1989 - 2000
Noooo ! Stay away from that of at least 10feet. 20feet if your able too :)
Good point, still. We may be harsh on Papyrus and SIerra about their
decision, but even with the old game engine + additions N2000 will be
better than any Stock-car product on the market.
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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
> You mean like Sierra have destroyed Half-Life, Homeworld and the Blizzard
> titles? Moron.
Regedit lets me get rid of that nonsense, but it's still annoying...
l8er
ronny
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