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GTX_SlotCa

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by GTX_SlotCa » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:22:20

If this is old news, sorry. I haven't seen it before, so I'm sure some
others haven't either.

The Sierra site in Germany is taking a poll on what to do after NR 2003. You
can vote for a "new GPL" here:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
about half way down on the left of the page and choose:
"Ein neues Grand Prix Legends "

So far a new GPL has 78% of the votes.

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nobody specia

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by nobody specia » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:49:43


I'm surprised to see that an Indy Car sim came in second (WAY back,
granted), ahead of both F1 and touring cars.

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:19:26


   Well there are SEVERAL F1 sims, and a couple of Touring car sims.  How
many current INDY/CART products are there?
dave henrie

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by Txl » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:31:08

errrr   enough ? oops, ok, sorry, just joking....

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> > I'm surprised to see that an Indy Car sim came in second (WAY back,
> > granted), ahead of both F1 and touring cars.

>    Well there are SEVERAL F1 sims, and a couple of Touring car sims.  How
> many current INDY/CART products are there?
> dave henrie

Folc

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by Folc » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:47:25



> > I'm surprised to see that an Indy Car sim came in second (WAY back,
> > granted), ahead of both F1 and touring cars.

>    Well there are SEVERAL F1 sims, and a couple of Touring car sims.  How
> many current INDY/CART products are there?

Well, given the distance between "New GPL" and the rest, I think that
the only message that the poll conveys is that Papyrus fans *want* a
new GPL... What comes in second has no importance.

Anyway, we can only hope...

Folco

nobody specia

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by nobody specia » Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:37:05



> > I'm surprised to see that an Indy Car sim came in second (WAY back,
> > granted), ahead of both F1 and touring cars.

>    Well there are SEVERAL F1 sims, and a couple of Touring car sims.  How
> many current INDY/CART products are there?
> dave henrie

Sure, but I didn't expect that on a German website.  I would have thought
that either F1 or touring cars would have been far ahead, despite an already
crowded market for those sims.
Bluesk

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by Bluesk » Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:05:05

But if they weren't seriously considering it why would they have put
it on the poll? I think the time is right for a game like GPL2, the
market is swamped with so many look-alike racing games - GPL is still
unique.

Eldre

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by Eldre » Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:42:55



>It doesn't matter how many vote for a GPL2, I doubt very much they
>will do one. CART, maybe.

I'm not holding my breath for either one.  Apparently no company thinks that
CART would sell anyway.  Probably because the previous 'attempts'(Mario
Andretti, ABC Indy Car racing) didn't sell well...?

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Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:47:28

LOL... "attempts" is a flattering description for those two. ;-))

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by Malc » Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:21:46


gpl isn't unique.

If you want a well modelled driving sim physics engine, there's N4, N2002,
LFS, Racer, F12002/GTR, Viper Racing, and plenty more.

If you want a historic sim, there's Rally Trophy, SOS, and several SCGT and
F1200x mods.

If you want to have excellent online playability, there's N2002 and LFS
again, Quake3, UT2003 and loads of others.

imo gpl has just the right combination of features to appeal to a pretty
specific audience that want a well modelled, low grip racing car sim with
good online playability.

For me, the appeal of gpl is the poor grip, poor brakes and an excess of
power, combined with fast, flowing tracks without chicanes.

I'm not particularly nostalgic about the past, but the way I see it, modern
tracks are designed to be safe for the driver. When you're racing a sim,
safety doesn't matter, dangerous = fun, and I think Papyrus felt the same
way when they chose the 1967 Grand Prix season to simulate.

In real life, there's now absolutely no way I could ever push the limit
around Monaco, touch 240 mph at LeMans or do an 8 minute lap at the 'ring
because it would probably kill me. But I want to do it all the same.

I'd like another historic sim because my reactions just aren't quick enough
for a modern car sim to appeal to me. F12002 has huge amounts of grip and
minuscule braking distances. It's too easy to drive at 95%, but too
difficult for me to stay consistently on the limit.

60's touring cars, Lotus Cortina vs. Mini Cooper would be good, but you lose
out on power.

50's or 60's Sportscars might be better, Ferrari 250 GTOs vs. Aston Martin,
or pre-war for Bentley vs. Mercedes.

The tracks were fast and flowing, braking distances were huge so I could
actually outbrake someone, basically I want a sim where the G-Forces are
low.

Rallying could be good, but I'd want to race opponents on a circuit, side by
side through the corners.

I want to drive a car where just keeping it in a straight line at speed is
hard, and the circuit is more challenging than an oval, but I'm used to gpl
after 4 years so I want more power, and maybe a bit more grip in a
lightweight, chuckable car.

Malc.

ymenar

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by ymenar » Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:38:08


> But if they weren't seriously considering it why would they have put
> it on the poll?

It's just a poll on the German sierra site.  That's all.  People post polls
all the time, for no reason.

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by Eldre » Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:53:47



>"EldredP" wrote...
>> <snip>
>> I'm not holding my breath for either one.  Apparently no
>> company thinks that CART would sell anyway.  Probably
>> because the previous 'attempts'(Mario Andretti, ABC
>> Indy Car racing) didn't sell well...?

>LOL... "attempts" is a flattering description for those two. ;-))

Well, I have them both, so they each sold at least ONE...
I sorta liked Mario Andretti Racing... :-)

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:50:20

Here is a bit more info on why they put up the poll... supposedly directly
from the German Sierra crew.
http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59526

Mikkel


Michael Burto

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by Michael Burto » Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:44:52




>> >It doesn't matter how many vote for a GPL2, I doubt very much they
>> >will do one. CART, maybe.

>> But if they weren't seriously considering it why would they have put
>> it on the poll? I think the time is right for a game like GPL2, the
>> market is swamped with so many look-alike racing games - GPL is still
>> unique.

Something unique would be a game like we have never seen before. I was
watching Speed Channel yesterday and got to wondering about some type of
boat racing sim. Not the cheesy Sea-Doo games but a simulation of Formula 1
tunnel hull, Offshore Power Boats, or Gold Cup Hydros. Anyone ever see
anything like that?
Malc

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by Malc » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:44:46





> >> >It doesn't matter how many vote for a GPL2, I doubt very much they
> >> >will do one. CART, maybe.

> >> But if they weren't seriously considering it why would they have put
> >> it on the poll? I think the time is right for a game like GPL2, the
> >> market is swamped with so many look-alike racing games - GPL is still
> >> unique.

> Something unique would be a game like we have never seen before. I was
> watching Speed Channel yesterday and got to wondering about some type of
> boat racing sim. Not the cheesy Sea-Doo games but a simulation of Formula
1
> tunnel hull, Offshore Power Boats, or Gold Cup Hydros. Anyone ever see
> anything like that?

For the record I didn't write any of the quoted text.

Offshore Powerboat racing could be alot of fun, but I imagine it would be
much harder to simulate accurately than a car or 'plane sim.

Malc.


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