: This has absolutely nothing to do with ICR, GP2 or anything else. It
: has to do with "our" desire to have a NASCAR group. This would not
: preclude people from posting NASCAR questions in the current group.
But why would we want NASCAR stuff in our group if you have your own?
;-)
But seriously. Am I just being blind? Are "we" holding captive all of
the NASCAR simmers? You are trying to make it sound like "they" are
doing something to "them". But, that's not the case, "them" are us and
"they" are us.
: For those of you tieing this to a group for ICR and GP2 and any other
: sim, if you want to put the time Tony Johns is into NASCAR, then do so.
Okay, let's try this one more time. Go back and read very carefully
Tony Johns' original post on his proposal. He is not, nor did he ever
propose a rec.autos.simulators.nascar group! His proposal calls for the
creation of:
rec.autos.simulators.f1
rec.autos.simulators.indycar
rec.autos.simulators.nascar
It was NEVER Tony Johns intent to turn this into "our" desire to become
a NASCAR group. His intent was to create a more amiable place for
discussing auto simulators.
: I don't want to hear it will weaken R.A.S. because it won't, and
: mentioning HAWAII postings as an equivelant to GP2 are invalid because
: those are for the most-part NASCAR related and would also follow us to
: the new newsgroup.
You don't want to hear what anyone has to say that may differ from your
preception of reality? Well, I've have already discussed why I feel it
would. Can show me how my logic and reasoning is full of bull shit?
Just saying something is true or false, doesn't convince me it is. Try
explaining how it won't weaken r.a.s. Try explaining to us how creating
a nascar only group will strengthen r.a.s. I'm willing to listen.
Explain what it is you want, why you want it, and how it won't effect
r.a.s. as it now exists.
You can put your fingers in your ears if you wish. First I need to
quote from your paragraph above. "...NASCAR related and would also
follow _us_ to the new newsgroup." I know you don't agree, but this
does weaken r.a.s. As it is now we are a community comprised of people
interested in a variety of auto sims. These sims have things in common
and things uncommon. However, I really believe that this exposure to
each others products is what keeps us interested in the overall subject
of auto sims. Yes, I know, just because there is a separate newsgroup
doesn't mean people can't read them all. It's a fact that some
people can't even read this newsgroup cuz their server doesn't carry it.
Some people who can, may not be able to read a new group cuz their
server won't pick it up. Okay we've lost some of our community.
Topics of discussion which could easily be useful by a follower of a
particular discipline will be missed, unless they read all of the other
"related" newsgroups. (Let's not get side-tracked with the issue of
cross-posting at the present -- that's a whole 'nother chapter.) A
follower of another discipline who has insight that might prove to
helpful to NASCAR won't be able to help out, cuz they missed the
discussion in the r.a.s.n. group. These are just a few examples of why
I think r.a.s. can be weakened by splintering off.
Okay, you can remover your fingers now.
It may not be your intent. But your insistence to say the same thing
over and over again without backing it up with reasoning or
logic, comes across as "brow-beating". Has this becoming your mantra?
"NASCAR separate, GOOD! NASCAR in r.a.s., BAD!" There are good points
for both arguements and there are bad points to both.
It may not really be your intent, but your single-minded approach to
this is causing alot of people to say, "give 'em their NASCAR group and
good riddance." If you really care about r.a.s. or even a r.a.s.n., it
would be helpful if you could contribute to the discussion and be
willing to listen to other people's thoughts on the issue.
What we want to do here is calmly discuss the pros and cons of both
sides of the issue. Then we can make an educated decision on the
outcome of r.a.s. Or maybe, we will discover a better solution
than keeping r.a.s. as it is or splitting it up.
And it is true that Hawaii postings in the past are equivelant to the
GP2 postings of the present. It was the HOT topic. GP2 is now the HOT
topic. We are not talking about the content of the topic, we are
talking about the ratio of the topic. When you look at this way there
is a correlation. If you don't wish to see this, fine. But just
denying it, makes it very hard to continue the discussion.
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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
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