rec.autos.simulators

by **vhschol** » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:04:17

Can someone tell me what a hybrid car is. I know it has to do with somehow
saving a sim setup as an arcade setup how is that done? Any help would be
great thanks

by **Biz** » Mon, 01 Oct 2001 03:06:17

Since its the way so many are cheating in arcade setting on-line races, I
doubt too many are willing to help from here. Since you know what it is,
but can't figure out how its done, I won't help since its quite simple given
your explanation.

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 01 Oct 2001 03:17:51

Is Papy aware of this cheat? Posting on the sierra boards, not the
method, but the problem, might be useful.
dave henrie

> Since its the way so many are cheating in arcade setting on-line races, I
> doubt too many are willing to help from here. Since you know what it is,
> but can't figure out how its done, I won't help since its quite simple
given
> your explanation.

> --
> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash

> > Can someone tell me what a hybrid car is. I know it has to do with
somehow
> > saving a sim setup as an arcade setup how is that done? Any help would
be
> > great thanks

by **Ron Ayto** » Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:28:32

This is the wrong attitude to cheating IMO.
If and when cheating methods are discovered, they should be immediately
made known to ALL and EVERY driver in a given sim.
There is cheating in all sims, but it is kept that way by the "scumbag" few
that figure cheating methods out and then keep them to their own clicky
groups.
By putting the cheat/cheats out to the general public, it forces Papy or
(add company here) to fix the loophole that is allowing these lowlifes the
option to cheat.
Just keep kidding yourself that if only a few know about it, it is
alright...
Get it out in the open and FORCE the problem to be fixed.

Cheers,
Ron

> Since its the way so many are cheating in arcade setting on-line races, I
> doubt too many are willing to help from here. Since you know what it is,
> but can't figure out how its done, I won't help since its quite simple
given
> your explanation.

> --
> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
structures,....and
> the....." - Ash

> > Can someone tell me what a hybrid car is. I know it has to do with
somehow
> > saving a sim setup as an arcade setup how is that done? Any help would
be
> > great thanks

by **Biz** » Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:15:06

Its a tough call, but from the original guys post, doesn't it seem like he
wants to be able to do it? Thats why I won't sya how its done. but once
again, he said how its being done in his post, if he can't fogure it out
from there, I'm not going to give him the option to cheat now as well. I
was in an arcade race the other night, and they destroyed me with their
hybrid setups, I hope papy can figure out a way to prevent it. Although I
almost never run in arcade settings except for the occasional pickup race
when real sim races are a little slow

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

> This is the wrong attitude to cheating IMO.
> If and when cheating methods are discovered, they should be immediately
> made known to ALL and EVERY driver in a given sim.
> There is cheating in all sims, but it is kept that way by the "scumbag"
few
> that figure cheating methods out and then keep them to their own clicky
> groups.
> By putting the cheat/cheats out to the general public, it forces Papy or
> (add company here) to fix the loophole that is allowing these lowlifes the
> option to cheat.
> Just keep kidding yourself that if only a few know about it, it is
> alright...
> Get it out in the open and FORCE the problem to be fixed.

> Cheers,
> Ron

> > Since its the way so many are cheating in arcade setting on-line races,
I
> > doubt too many are willing to help from here. Since you know what it
is,
> > but can't figure out how its done, I won't help since its quite simple
> given
> > your explanation.

> > --
> > Biz

> > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> structures,....and
> > the....." - Ash

> > > Can someone tell me what a hybrid car is. I know it has to do with
> somehow
> > > saving a sim setup as an arcade setup how is that done? Any help would
> be
> > > great thanks

by **Ron Ayto** » Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:57:31

Yeah Biz, i can never understand why some guys have to cheat, it doesn't
say much for their character IMO.
Lets just hope Papy fill this loophole soon, as a few undesirables do
nothing but look for ways to get an unfair advantage, regardless of what
they do it in..

Cheers,
Ron

> Its a tough call, but from the original guys post, doesn't it seem like
he
> wants to be able to do it? Thats why I won't sya how its done. but once
> again, he said how its being done in his post, if he can't fogure it out
> from there, I'm not going to give him the option to cheat now as well. I
> was in an arcade race the other night, and they destroyed me with their
> hybrid setups, I hope papy can figure out a way to prevent it. Although
I
> almost never run in arcade settings except for the occasional pickup race
> when real sim races are a little slow

> --
> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
structures,....and
> the....." - Ash

> > This is the wrong attitude to cheating IMO.
> > If and when cheating methods are discovered, they should be immediately
> > made known to ALL and EVERY driver in a given sim.
> > There is cheating in all sims, but it is kept that way by the "scumbag"
> few
> > that figure cheating methods out and then keep them to their own clicky
> > groups.
> > By putting the cheat/cheats out to the general public, it forces Papy
or
> > (add company here) to fix the loophole that is allowing these lowlifes
the
> > option to cheat.
> > Just keep kidding yourself that if only a few know about it, it is
> > alright...
> > Get it out in the open and FORCE the problem to be fixed.

> > Cheers,
> > Ron

> > > Since its the way so many are cheating in arcade setting on-line
races,
> I
> > > doubt too many are willing to help from here. Since you know what it
> is,
> > > but can't figure out how its done, I won't help since its quite
simple
> > given
> > > your explanation.

> > > --
> > > Biz

> > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't
understand
> > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> > structures,....and
> > > the....." - Ash

> > > > Can someone tell me what a hybrid car is. I know it has to do with
> > somehow
> > > > saving a sim setup as an arcade setup how is that done? Any help
would
> > be
> > > > great thanks

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:01:18

I wouldn't MIND folks going out and finding ways to exploit a racing
sim.....IF they helped fix those exploits. But if they don't, maybe Papy
needs to treat them like the online RPG's are doing and permantly ban the
abusers. Heck if we get rid of the wreckers, cheaters and hackers it would
be a good thing no?
dave henrie

> Yeah Biz, i can never understand why some guys have to cheat, it doesn't
> say much for their character IMO.
> Lets just hope Papy fill this loophole soon, as a few undesirables do
> nothing but look for ways to get an unfair advantage, regardless of what
> they do it in..

> Cheers,
> Ron

> > Its a tough call, but from the original guys post, doesn't it seem like
> he
> > wants to be able to do it? Thats why I won't sya how its done. but once
> > again, he said how its being done in his post, if he can't fogure it out
> > from there, I'm not going to give him the option to cheat now as well.
I
> > was in an arcade race the other night, and they destroyed me with their
> > hybrid setups, I hope papy can figure out a way to prevent it. Although
> I
> > almost never run in arcade settings except for the occasional pickup
race
> > when real sim races are a little slow

> > --
> > Biz

> > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> structures,....and
> > the....." - Ash

> > > This is the wrong attitude to cheating IMO.
> > > If and when cheating methods are discovered, they should be
immediately
> > > made known to ALL and EVERY driver in a given sim.
> > > There is cheating in all sims, but it is kept that way by the
"scumbag"
> > few
> > > that figure cheating methods out and then keep them to their own
clicky
> > > groups.
> > > By putting the cheat/cheats out to the general public, it forces Papy
> or
> > > (add company here) to fix the loophole that is allowing these lowlifes
> the
> > > option to cheat.
> > > Just keep kidding yourself that if only a few know about it, it is
> > > alright...
> > > Get it out in the open and FORCE the problem to be fixed.

> > > Cheers,
> > > Ron

> > > > Since its the way so many are cheating in arcade setting on-line
> races,
> > I
> > > > doubt too many are willing to help from here. Since you know what
it
> > is,
> > > > but can't figure out how its done, I won't help since its quite
> simple
> > > given
> > > > your explanation.

> > > > --
> > > > Biz

> > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't
> understand
> > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> > > structures,....and
> > > > the....." - Ash

> > > > > Can someone tell me what a hybrid car is. I know it has to do with
> > > somehow
> > > > > saving a sim setup as an arcade setup how is that done? Any help
> would
> > > be
> > > > > great thanks

by **Ron Ayto** » Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:15:32

LOL Dave, we would be left with no-one to race with.. :))

Cheers,
Ron

by **Tom Pabs** » Tue, 02 Oct 2001 03:43:49

Cheating, wrecking....these are not being done by "racers" as much as by
"gamers."

Its a fact of life, in online racing that many participants have no
interest in racing (they may not even be racing fans). Their foundation
in *** is based on "cheating" which doesn't even have the same
connotation as it does in real-world racing (or any real-world sport).
In fact, websites in other online "games" are dedicated to revealing
cheat codes, which I translate as "cheating methods," often programmed
into the fame by the developers themselves. This is not a m***issue,
or a sportsmanship issue in most of online ***.

I would consider it a waste of time to attempt to have these people
adopt the same m***sense of sport.....as we "racers" have. I wouldn't
want to see Papyrus spend "two cents" of their valuable time fixing some
"cheat" that has been discovered by these "gamers." Anyone I race
against that I care about....isn't going to cheat.

Unfortunately, this tends to completely invalidate the Sierra.com
Ranking System.....which spoils a very good thing for most participants
of N4 online racing. Perhaps it would be possible to add a "switch" or
something so that league administrators could turn on a "league race
only" ranking system (points acquired in league races not mixed with a
drivers regular ranking system). This could be done by racers choice
too, creating a second "online alias" you only use for league racing -
actual races? A driver's "ranking" only within sanctioned league races
would have some value to serious online racing (for other league admins,
comparison among top driver's skills, etc.). The way the system is now,
the "ranking system" is equivalent to the "Top Five Highest Scores"
window at the top of an arcade console at the local pub!

But I digress......

Tom

by **Michael Barlo** » Tue, 02 Oct 2001 04:15:08

My sentiments exactly! (the current and past "rankings" systems) The
only "Rankings" system that I know works is the rankings systems that
Leagues use, mostly because it takes the *** system out of the Sport of
online racing. My other issue is the Drivers ID's. The "***" issue is
still there even by the top online and respected drivers, Most (but not
all) of them still use the Quake type of ID's but with an automotive flare.
Just who is Mr. Crankshaft? or Mr. WheelSpin? Or... or... Or... et.. I
have raced in many leagues and have made a lot of net friends, people I'd
buy a beer for at the local pub if we ever met. However, I don't have as
much respect for them when they use phony names like that. I'd rather print
a story about Mr. John Doe in the local paper than I would about Mr. John
Doe, AKA "Skid Marks". Quake ID's make Online racing no better than Quake,
And I don't know about everyone else, But I don't want the Sport of Online
Racing to be associated with the *** and gore, shoot'em up, blow'em up,
type of "Games". I know I'm going to get flamed for saying all of that,
but...
--
Michael A. Barlow
currently Acting as "Head of Marketing"
FILSCA (www.filsca.com)

by **Willard VanderPloe** » Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:23:01

Dave;

I read in the leaked patch readme that hacked "car.class" cars will no
longer be able to join multiplayer races.

So - looks like Papy already took care of it with the patch that's due next.

Willard.

> I wouldn't MIND folks going out and finding ways to exploit a racing
> sim.....IF they helped fix those exploits. But if they don't, maybe Papy
> needs to treat them like the online RPG's are doing and permantly ban the
> abusers. Heck if we get rid of the wreckers, cheaters and hackers it
would
> be a good thing no?
> dave henrie

> > Yeah Biz, i can never understand why some guys have to cheat, it
doesn't
> > say much for their character IMO.
> > Lets just hope Papy fill this loophole soon, as a few undesirables do
> > nothing but look for ways to get an unfair advantage, regardless of what
> > they do it in..

> > Cheers,
> > Ron

> > > Its a tough call, but from the original guys post, doesn't it seem
like
> > he
> > > wants to be able to do it? Thats why I won't sya how its done. but
once
> > > again, he said how its being done in his post, if he can't fogure it
out
> > > from there, I'm not going to give him the option to cheat now as well.
> I
> > > was in an arcade race the other night, and they destroyed me with
their
> > > hybrid setups, I hope papy can figure out a way to prevent it.
Although
> > I
> > > almost never run in arcade settings except for the occasional pickup
> race
> > > when real sim races are a little slow

> > > --
> > > Biz

> > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> > structures,....and
> > > the....." - Ash

> > > > This is the wrong attitude to cheating IMO.
> > > > If and when cheating methods are discovered, they should be
> immediately
> > > > made known to ALL and EVERY driver in a given sim.
> > > > There is cheating in all sims, but it is kept that way by the
> "scumbag"
> > > few
> > > > that figure cheating methods out and then keep them to their own
> clicky
> > > > groups.
> > > > By putting the cheat/cheats out to the general public, it forces
Papy
> > or
> > > > (add company here) to fix the loophole that is allowing these
lowlifes
> > the
> > > > option to cheat.
> > > > Just keep kidding yourself that if only a few know about it, it is
> > > > alright...
> > > > Get it out in the open and FORCE the problem to be fixed.

> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ron

> > > > > Since its the way so many are cheating in arcade setting on-line
> > races,
> > > I
> > > > > doubt too many are willing to help from here. Since you know what
> it
> > > is,
> > > > > but can't figure out how its done, I won't help since its quite
> > simple
> > > > given
> > > > > your explanation.

> > > > > --
> > > > > Biz

> > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't
> > understand
> > > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> > > > structures,....and
> > > > > the....." - Ash

> > > > > > Can someone tell me what a hybrid car is. I know it has to do
with
> > > > somehow
> > > > > > saving a sim setup as an arcade setup how is that done? Any help
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > great thanks

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:57:56

"Michael Barlow"
I'd rather print
I quite agree with you. Several years ago I realized I didn't know who I
was racing with. So I began using my real name both here and online racing.
I'm usually one of the very few in pickup races. In our Tptcc league I have
several fellow whom I have been racing with for years, but I haven't a clue
online who's who because they have all these 'speedy' names. Suffice it to
say, when you see dave henrie you know it's me...that and my leisurely pace
should be the real tip-off.
dave henrie

by **Ron Ayto** » Tue, 02 Oct 2001 07:07:31

Hi Mike, long time no see. :))
I agree with you Mike, and though i know it isn't a true indication of a
driver's ability or nature, i still tend to let my first impressions of a
new driver on VROC be swayed by their use of their name/nickname etc...
I feel that anyone that has to use a false name (a la quake style in
driving terms) is not a genuine sim racer anyway and has something to hide.
I know most good leagues now require the use of the driver's real name as
part of the entry deal, which is a good thing IMO.
At least GPL has a smaller percentage of these types than N4, which still
speaks heaps for the maturity level required to get involved in GPL.
All IMO, of course. Don't you get sick of having to add "IMO"
disclaimers. <G>

Finally, you still advocating for the addition of the boot ? <G>

Hope your keeping well Mike...

Cheers,
Ron

by **Gerald Moo** » Wed, 03 Oct 2001 23:15:22

I agree 100%. Let the secrets out so other folks can recognize when
someone else isn't playing fair. And hope the increased visibility
forces someone to close the loophole.

Gerald

> This is the wrong attitude to cheating IMO.
> If and when cheating methods are discovered, they should be immediately
> made known to ALL and EVERY driver in a given sim.
> There is cheating in all sims, but it is kept that way by the "scumbag" few
> that figure cheating methods out and then keep them to their own clicky
> groups.
> By putting the cheat/cheats out to the general public, it forces Papy or
> (add company here) to fix the loophole that is allowing these lowlifes the
> option to cheat.
> Just keep kidding yourself that if only a few know about it, it is
> alright...
> Get it out in the open and FORCE the problem to be fixed.

> Cheers,
> Ron

> > Since its the way so many are cheating in arcade setting on-line races, I
> > doubt too many are willing to help from here. Since you know what it is,
> > but can't figure out how its done, I won't help since its quite simple
> given
> > your explanation.

> > --
> > Biz

> > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> structures,....and
> > the....." - Ash

> > > Can someone tell me what a hybrid car is. I know it has to do with
> somehow
> > > saving a sim setup as an arcade setup how is that done? Any help would
> be
> > > great thanks

by **Gerald Moo** » Wed, 03 Oct 2001 23:24:56

My strong respect for individual expression aside, I generally agree.
I'd really rather race with J_Doe than Hax0rD00d.

I guess one problem is one that I ran into... there are about a
gazillion Moores in the world. Smiths and Johnsons are even more
prolific. I had to try several times before finally getting an online
name that wasn't already in use. And then somehow Sierra lost the
dammed password and I had to make up another one.

Gerald Moore aka CG_Moore_Jr

> My other issue is the Drivers ID's. The "***" issue is
> still there even by the top online and respected drivers, Most (but not
> all) of them still use the Quake type of ID's but with an automotive flare.
> Just who is Mr. Crankshaft? or Mr. WheelSpin? Or... or... Or... et.. I
> have raced in many leagues and have made a lot of net friends, people I'd
> buy a beer for at the local pub if we ever met. However, I don't have as
> much respect for them when they use phony names like that. I'd rather print
> a story about Mr. John Doe in the local paper than I would about Mr. John
> Doe, AKA "Skid Marks". Quake ID's make Online racing no better than Quake,
> And I don't know about everyone else, But I don't want the Sport of Online
> Racing to be associated with the *** and gore, shoot'em up, blow'em up,
> type of "Games". I know I'm going to get flamed for saying all of that,
> but...
> --
> Michael A. Barlow
> currently Acting as "Head of Marketing"
> FILSCA (www.filsca.com)

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