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by **jon** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:05:59

> > I read somewhere that written complaints against TV programs are
> > multiplied by 10,000 or so to get a feel for how the real public feel
> > (ie those who couldn't be bothered to write in). So, with say 10
> > complaints they assume 100,000 people feel the same.

> > On that basis Chris/Tony you have probably got 310,000 copies of RL
> > already sold (I'm seeing 31 posts in this thread at the moment),
> > that's somewhat more than the initial sell of GPL. It's probably worth
> > getting it done.

> "You cannot be serious, man !"
> If they sell 310,000 copies of this game at 100 a shot, I will do more
than show my arse
> in a shop window.

How many would sell - that is what I wonder about. even if they sold like
crazy, got rave reviews in here and on sim sites, I *still* would not buy
until I saw addons, both third party and west bros, starting to be released
left and right. Assuming, of course that it would be a "bare-bones" release.
If it was a release with several cars, several tracks, multiplayer and AI,
well that might be different. But the way they talk, that would be released
later, and from what I have seen, I fear that I would be sitting there for
years with one car, one track, an empty wallet, and a look of chagrin upon
my face.

by **ymenar** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:24:14

> Oh ye of little faith!

/me walks around r.a.s. and recognise an old face passing near sight...

"Oh hey, isn't he that Bruce guy from down under??" :)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **ymenar** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:27:18

> Errr.... yeah, sorry 'bout that. It seemed kinda wicked and funny when I
> wrote it but in hindsight was ill-advised. There are several zealots at my
> door as I write. I repent!

I think it's been widely accepted that the fine here in this newsgroup for
any incident is an entire week of reclusion, with only Spirit of Speed 1937
to race with. Yeah I know it's a very hard punishment, but hey it's your
fault don't forget!!! ;-)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Joe Marque** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:35:00

ahem . . . parsley is primarily a garnish that is decoratively placed on top
of an already cooked meal . . . ahem.

:0)

--
Joe Marques

by **Neil Charlto** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 04:13:47

Seems a little harsh ;) Could it not be commuted to a day with GP4 - that's
only a slight let-off :)

> > Errr.... yeah, sorry 'bout that. It seemed kinda wicked and funny when I
> > wrote it but in hindsight was ill-advised. There are several zealots at
my
> > door as I write. I repent!

> I think it's been widely accepted that the fine here in this newsgroup for
> any incident is an entire week of reclusion, with only Spirit of Speed
1937
> to race with. Yeah I know it's a very hard punishment, but hey it's your
> fault don't forget!!! ;-)

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by JM » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 04:34:41

Also you have to pay a monthly subscription to "beta test" Warbirds. That
seems to be doing quite well, and someone I know who is "into" WW2 flight
sims rates Warbirds above IL2. Some "beta testing" can be fun, it can be
more or less a commercial release, but without the legal comeback on the
company if someone can't calibrate a Quickshot joystick for the game *right
there and then*.

Good on 'em, I say. If RL goes to pay-beta, I'll sign up and pay. If it
gets as far as retail, I'll probably buy it.

cheers
John

by JM » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 04:50:47

If you'd read the FAQ on the west racing website, you'd know that the wests
do not intend on releasing "one car and one track" as the retail product.
That is just chinese whispers spread on usenet and web forums. Now I'm not
saying this means that the retail will have X number of cars, and Y number
of tracks, but from the FAQ, the *intentions* of the west brothers are:

1) the *BETA* will have one car and one track.
2) the retail product will have more than one car, and more than one track.
which cars and tracks specifically, depends on licensing.
3) Multiplayer is intended for the initial release
4) AIs to race against are intended for the initial release.

That's what I understand from the FAQ on the site. I don't have a crystal
ball, so I can't say 100% the above will happen, but all the negative talk
specifically concerning the retail product having only one car and one
track, has *got to stop* because that is not the intention of the west
brothers.

For your (hypothetical) $150, they want to give you a bunch of cars, a
bunch of tracks, a way of playing online, and a bunch of computer people to
race against. I'd also guess that there's at least a slack handful of cars
and tracks which would be perfectly enjoyable to drive (on) that require no
fees for licensing, assuming the big players want too much money.

that's the intentions, let's hope the reality matches them.

cheers
John

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:40:08

> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:25:30 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >Oh ye of little faith!

> >BK

> Whoa, you're still alive :)

At his age, that's an accomplishment in itself

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:41:05

> > Oh ye of little faith!

> Wow, Bruce! The almighty sarcastic one from down under. welcome back :)

No kidding, we better start spell checking our posts from now on, not to
mention the grammar

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Doug Elliso** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:04:16

Do you have ANY idea how harsh it is to pour your life's work into a
project - and when you go public with it - half the community calls you a
***ing idiot and a lying bastard?

Do you have ANY idea how DESPERATE these guys are to get this project into
fruition

Do you have ANY idea how much SHIT they went thru with Empire?

Do you have ANY clue WHATSOEVER on ANY of the details?

Doug

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:15:01

Bollocks to that.

Jan.<g>
=---
"It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:25:11

It would appear to me the evidence points in the direction of these
questions being rethoric, Doug.

Yes, it's exasperating to read this kind of stuff, but it's absolutely no
use whatsoever getting frazzled over it. I let a couple replies slip
earlier, which I don't regret, but it's a lot less energy consuming to just
let the novelty of slagging off the West's effort wear off. Take note of the
messages and save your energy for the massive "HAH!"-post to come.<g>

Jan.
=---
"It's for the fun." - Gilles Panizzi

by **Doug Elliso** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:33:15

I just think that the community as a whole should show a little respect for
the guys prepared to bank EVERYTHING on what we've been asking for for
years.

When they get ridiculed for it - it drives me ***y mad

DOug

by **jon** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:47:33

I see they have a newer one posted. Ahh. Thank you. Much more info in this
one.

I would like to amend my original post to read as follows:

If good, I buy.
If no good, I no buy.

(Last line not intended to be negative)

> > How many would sell - that is what I wonder about. even if they sold
> > like crazy, got rave reviews in here and on sim sites, I *still* would
> > not buy until I saw addons, both third party and west bros, starting
> > to be released left and right. Assuming, of course that it would be a
> > "bare-bones" release. If it was a release with several cars, several
> > tracks, multiplayer and AI, well that might be different. But the way
> > they talk, that would be released later, and from what I have seen, I
> > fear that I would be sitting there for years with one car, one track,
> > an empty wallet, and a look of chagrin upon my face.

> If you'd read the FAQ on the west racing website, you'd know that the
wests
> do not intend on releasing "one car and one track" as the retail product.
> That is just chinese whispers spread on usenet and web forums. Now I'm
not
> saying this means that the retail will have X number of cars, and Y number
> of tracks, but from the FAQ, the *intentions* of the west brothers are:

> 1) the *BETA* will have one car and one track.
> 2) the retail product will have more than one car, and more than one
track.
> which cars and tracks specifically, depends on licensing.
> 3) Multiplayer is intended for the initial release
> 4) AIs to race against are intended for the initial release.

> That's what I understand from the FAQ on the site. I don't have a crystal
> ball, so I can't say 100% the above will happen, but all the negative talk
> specifically concerning the retail product having only one car and one
> track, has *got to stop* because that is not the intention of the west
> brothers.

> For your (hypothetical) $150, they want to give you a bunch of cars, a
> bunch of tracks, a way of playing online, and a bunch of computer people
to
> race against. I'd also guess that there's at least a slack handful of
cars
> and tracks which would be perfectly enjoyable to drive (on) that require
no
> fees for licensing, assuming the big players want too much money.

> that's the intentions, let's hope the reality matches them.

> cheers
> John

by **jason moy** » Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:50:55

On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:15:01 GMT, "Jan Verschueren"

>"Goy Larsen" wrote...
>> > <snip>
>> No kidding, we better start spell checking our posts from
>> now on, not to mention the grammar

>Bollocks to that.

There's no verb in that sentence!

Jason

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