rec.autos.simulators

>Last year I restricted my GP2 setup, so I had the same top speed, acceleration
>and braking distance as GP2 top AI. The races I drove reminded a lot about real
>races and doing so all the time. At Magny only overtaking place was before the
>hairpin and it was hard to get a tow out of the fast right hander before the
>hairpin. At Hockenheim it was slip streaming mayhem :o))). Here the AI wouldn't
>always slip stream at the smartest place though :o).

>/Christer, would have to be an unusually big fan of 60s racing to enjoy the AI
> in
>GPL, and I'm not ;o)

>> No it doesn't seem worse, it is worse.  The AI in GPL are a step backwards, a
>> large part of the reason I quit the game.

>> >Agreed that this is a very frustrating experience.  Unfortunately it seems
>> >worse with GPL not because the AI are worse (they are generally better), but
>> >because you have more invested in the racing experience.

>> >Marc.

>> >> OK guys just a rant here to vent some frustration. I was on lap 68 of a GP
>> >> at Zandvoort last night and doing pretty well by my standards running in
>> >5th
>> >> place. Unfortunately I got tangled up with another car whilst lapping him.
>> >> It was a pretty minor "contretemps" and I should have ordinarily been able
>> >> to continue.

>> >> The trouble was that our wheels were tangled up and try as I might, I was
>> >> unable to do anything to free myself. The reason for this was simply that
>> >> the AI seem to have no intelligence when it comes to extricating
>> >themselves
>> >> from such situations. Instead of using a reverse gear, they seem to be
>> >> blindly intent on continuing as though the other car is not there.  After
>> >> spending about 30 seconds trying to clear the other car with it's full
>> >> throttle ram raid mentality I gave up.This is an observation that I have
>> >> made with every sim that I have raced over the years. I wish I had a penny
>> >> for every time an AI car has tried to simply drive through me.

>> >> Just an observation that developers of future sims might bear in mind.

>> >> Mark

>Andre

>>No it doesn't seem worse, it is worse.  The AI in GPL are a step backwards, a
>>large part of the reason I quit the game.

>>>Agreed that this is a very frustrating experience.  Unfortunately it seems
>>>worse with GPL not because the AI are worse (they are generally better), but
>>>because you have more invested in the racing experience.

>>>Marc.

>>>> OK guys just a rant here to vent some frustration. I was on lap 68 of a GP
>>>> at Zandvoort last night and doing pretty well by my standards running in
>>>5th
>>>> place. Unfortunately I got tangled up with another car whilst lapping him.
>>>> It was a pretty minor "contretemps" and I should have ordinarily been able
>>>> to continue.

>>>> The trouble was that our wheels were tangled up and try as I might, I was
>>>> unable to do anything to free myself. The reason for this was simply that
>>>> the AI seem to have no intelligence when it comes to extricating
>>>themselves
>>>> from such situations. Instead of using a reverse gear, they seem to be
>>>> blindly intent on continuing as though the other car is not there.  After
>>>> spending about 30 seconds trying to clear the other car with it's full
>>>> throttle ram raid mentality I gave up.This is an observation that I have
>>>> made with every sim that I have raced over the years. I wish I had a penny
>>>> for every time an AI car has tried to simply drive through me.

>>>> Just an observation that developers of future sims might bear in mind.

>>>> Mark

>>I agree with Todd. I often watched AI races in GP2 and it looks very real
all
>> the
>>time. I've tried to watch AI races in GPL... It just doesn't look real at
all
>> and
>>they dont drive the same line as any normal sim racer do. IMO, GPL AI
looks
>> much
>>more artificial than GP2 AI.

>>Last year I restricted my GP2 setup, so I had the same top speed,
acceleration
>>and braking distance as GP2 top AI. The races I drove reminded a lot about
real
>>races and doing so all the time. At Magny only overtaking place was before
the
>>hairpin and it was hard to get a tow out of the fast right hander before
the
>>hairpin. At Hockenheim it was slip streaming mayhem :o))). Here the AI
wouldn't
>>always slip stream at the smartest place though :o).

>>/Christer, would have to be an unusually big fan of 60s racing to enjoy
the AI
>> in
>>GPL, and I'm not ;o)

>>> No it doesn't seem worse, it is worse.  The AI in GPL are a step
backwards, a
>>> large part of the reason I quit the game.

>>> >Agreed that this is a very frustrating experience.  Unfortunately it
seems
>>> >worse with GPL not because the AI are worse (they are generally
better), but
>>> >because you have more invested in the racing experience.

>>> >Marc.

>>> >> OK guys just a rant here to vent some frustration. I was on lap 68 of
a GP
>>> >> at Zandvoort last night and doing pretty well by my standards running
in
>>> >5th
>>> >> place. Unfortunately I got tangled up with another car whilst lapping
him.
>>> >> It was a pretty minor "contretemps" and I should have ordinarily been
able
>>> >> to continue.

>>> >> The trouble was that our wheels were tangled up and try as I might, I
was
>>> >> unable to do anything to free myself. The reason for this was simply
that
>>> >> the AI seem to have no intelligence when it comes to extricating
>>> >themselves
>>> >> from such situations. Instead of using a reverse gear, they seem to
be
>>> >> blindly intent on continuing as though the other car is not there.
After
>>> >> spending about 30 seconds trying to clear the other car with it's
full
>>> >> throttle ram raid mentality I gave up.This is an observation that I
have
>>> >> made with every sim that I have raced over the years. I wish I had a
penny
>>> >> for every time an AI car has tried to simply drive through me.

>>> >> Just an observation that developers of future sims might bear in
mind.

>>> >> Mark

>And what are you up to these days? You dont work too much I hope...

>/Chrille

>>Hey, Christer!  Haven't heard from you in a long time.  How have you been?

>>>I agree with Todd. I often watched AI races in GP2 and it looks very real
>all
>>> the
>>>time. I've tried to watch AI races in GPL... It just doesn't look real at
>all
>>> and
>>>they dont drive the same line as any normal sim racer do. IMO, GPL AI
>looks
>>> much
>>>more artificial than GP2 AI.

>>>Last year I restricted my GP2 setup, so I had the same top speed,
>acceleration
>>>and braking distance as GP2 top AI. The races I drove reminded a lot about
>real
>>>races and doing so all the time. At Magny only overtaking place was before
>the
>>>hairpin and it was hard to get a tow out of the fast right hander before
>the
>>>hairpin. At Hockenheim it was slip streaming mayhem :o))). Here the AI
>wouldn't
>>>always slip stream at the smartest place though :o).

>>>/Christer, would have to be an unusually big fan of 60s racing to enjoy
>the AI
>>> in
>>>GPL, and I'm not ;o)

>>>> No it doesn't seem worse, it is worse.  The AI in GPL are a step
>backwards, a
>>>> large part of the reason I quit the game.

>>>> >Agreed that this is a very frustrating experience.  Unfortunately it
>seems
>>>> >worse with GPL not because the AI are worse (they are generally
>better), but
>>>> >because you have more invested in the racing experience.

>>>> >Marc.

>>>> >> OK guys just a rant here to vent some frustration. I was on lap 68 of
>a GP
>>>> >> at Zandvoort last night and doing pretty well by my standards running
>in
>>>> >5th
>>>> >> place. Unfortunately I got tangled up with another car whilst lapping
>him.
>>>> >> It was a pretty minor "contretemps" and I should have ordinarily been
>able
>>>> >> to continue.

>>>> >> The trouble was that our wheels were tangled up and try as I might, I
>was
>>>> >> unable to do anything to free myself. The reason for this was simply
>that
>>>> >> the AI seem to have no intelligence when it comes to extricating
>>>> >themselves
>>>> >> from such situations. Instead of using a reverse gear, they seem to
>be
>>>> >> blindly intent on continuing as though the other car is not there.
>After
>>>> >> spending about 30 seconds trying to clear the other car with it's
>full
>>>> >> throttle ram raid mentality I gave up.This is an observation that I
>have
>>>> >> made with every sim that I have raced over the years. I wish I had a
>penny
>>>> >> for every time an AI car has tried to simply drive through me.

>>>> >> Just an observation that developers of future sims might bear in
>mind.

>>>> >> Mark

>>Hi Todd, I'm okay, I'm saving to buy an Audi S8 or similar :o). I also
drive
>>in a couple of F2 and F3 online leagues. Actually Eric Cote's F2 and F3
>>league and Mark Seery's F3 league. I think I've won Mark's F3 league with
>>one race to go :o). I'm leading Eric's F3 league, but we only have one
race
>>done so far in that one.

>>And what are you up to these days? You dont work too much I hope...

>>/Chrille

>>>Hey, Christer!  Haven't heard from you in a long time.  How have you
been?

>>>>I agree with Todd. I often watched AI races in GP2 and it looks very
real
>>all
>>>> the
>>>>time. I've tried to watch AI races in GPL... It just doesn't look real
at
>>all
>>>> and
>>>>they dont drive the same line as any normal sim racer do. IMO, GPL AI
>>looks
>>>> much
>>>>more artificial than GP2 AI.

>>>>Last year I restricted my GP2 setup, so I had the same top speed,
>>acceleration
>>>>and braking distance as GP2 top AI. The races I drove reminded a lot
about
>>real
>>>>races and doing so all the time. At Magny only overtaking place was
before
>>the
>>>>hairpin and it was hard to get a tow out of the fast right hander before
>>the
>>>>hairpin. At Hockenheim it was slip streaming mayhem :o))). Here the AI
>>wouldn't
>>>>always slip stream at the smartest place though :o).

>>>>/Christer, would have to be an unusually big fan of 60s racing to enjoy
>>the AI
>>>> in
>>>>GPL, and I'm not ;o)

>>>>> No it doesn't seem worse, it is worse.  The AI in GPL are a step
>>backwards, a
>>>>> large part of the reason I quit the game.

Collins"

>>>>> >Agreed that this is a very frustrating experience.  Unfortunately it
>>seems
>>>>> >worse with GPL not because the AI are worse (they are generally
>>better), but
>>>>> >because you have more invested in the racing experience.

>>>>> >Marc.

>>>>> >> OK guys just a rant here to vent some frustration. I was on lap 68
of
>>a GP
>>>>> >> at Zandvoort last night and doing pretty well by my standards
running
>>in
>>>>> >5th
>>>>> >> place. Unfortunately I got tangled up with another car whilst
lapping
>>him.
>>>>> >> It was a pretty minor "contretemps" and I should have ordinarily
been
>>able
>>>>> >> to continue.

>>>>> >> The trouble was that our wheels were tangled up and try as I might,
I
>>was
>>>>> >> unable to do anything to free myself. The reason for this was
simply
>>that
>>>>> >> the AI seem to have no intelligence when it comes to extricating
>>>>> >themselves
>>>>> >> from such situations. Instead of using a reverse gear, they seem to
>>be
>>>>> >> blindly intent on continuing as though the other car is not there.
>>After
>>>>> >> spending about 30 seconds trying to clear the other car with it's
>>full
>>>>> >> throttle ram raid mentality I gave up.This is an observation that I
>>have
>>>>> >> made with every sim that I have raced over the years. I wish I had
a
>>penny
>>>>> >> for every time an AI car has tried to simply drive through me.

>>>>> >> Just an observation that developers of future sims might bear in
>>mind.

>>>>> >> Mark