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MadMikey
"Sin City Boyz"

Hello all GP-2 racers,

I would like to know if it's possible to BLOW the ENGINE?  Can you
mis-shift or over-rev the engine to make it expire?  Are their other
mechanical breakdowns?

Thanx you lucky devils,

Sal V. (Still wating in the USA)

JEB

: I would like to know if it's possible to BLOW the ENGINE?  Can you
: mis-shift or over-rev the engine to make it expire?

Why the hell do you want this.  A real F1 car can't do it.  Hey, even most
passenger cars won't let you over-rev a motor.  It's called a rev limiter
(not to be confused with a speed limiter used during pit stops).

If you want the most unrealistic part of having a motor blow because of
over-reving, then please stick to ICR2 and NCR.

If you doubt it, then I can tell you first hand.  I drove an ASA stock car
at the Milwaukee mile.  The car was not mine (it was a rent-a-ride).  It
was not a race, it was just jump in it and drive.  The car was set up with
short gears.  Therefore, I was on the rev limiter before the start/finish
line.  That leaves quite a bit of straightaway left.  I don't have
experience so I kept my foot to the floor boards.  I held the car on the
limiter for half a straightaway.  I did this for 15mins and NEVER blew the
motor.

So I ask again, why the hell do you want an unrealistic feature?

<snip>

What if you were to suddenly change down without braking first?. Can
(or even should) a rev limiter handle this?

Just wondering,
Richard

: : I would like to know if it's possible to BLOW the ENGINE?  Can you
: : mis-shift or over-rev the engine to make it expire?

: Why the hell do you want this.  A real F1 car can't do it.  Hey, even most
: passenger cars won't let you over-rev a motor.  It's called a rev limiter
: (not to be confused with a speed limiter used during pit stops).

: If you want the most unrealistic part of having a motor blow because of
: over-reving, then please stick to ICR2 and NCR.

: If you doubt it, then I can tell you first hand.  I drove an ASA stock car
: at the Milwaukee mile.  The car was not mine (it was a rent-a-ride).  It
: was not a race, it was just jump in it and drive.  The car was set up with
: short gears.  Therefore, I was on the rev limiter before the start/finish
: line.  That leaves quite a bit of straightaway left.  I don't have
: experience so I kept my foot to the floor boards.  I held the car on the
: limiter for half a straightaway.  I did this for 15mins and NEVER blew the
: motor.

: So I ask again, why the hell do you want an unrealistic feature?

Ouch, I think you may be a little unrealistic here.  1) You were in a
rent-a-ride -- could it not be that they have a rev-limiter to prevent
idiot newbies from blowing up their expensive engine?

2)  As far as I know NASCAR does not have rev limiters.

3)  It is possible to blow an engine even with a rev limiter if the
gearing is forced too low, too quickly.
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No.  Rev limiters only help in up-shifting.  If you downshift too fast, it
will blow the engine. I don't care what kind of race car you drive (or
sim-drive).  This is the case with the Formula 2000 cars I get to drive on
Tuesday (the day F1GP2 gets released in the US. Ironic, eh?).  If you
over-rev them barrelling down the straight, they make a brrrappping noise
which is the computer chip cutting the gas intake to the fuel injectors,
letting you know you need to lift and lift quick. If you downchange and
over-rev the engine, there is nothing to save you.  
So, although I haven't had a chance to play it (weep, weep), from what I
have heard, F1GP2 is very realistic in this respect.

Anyway, how much did it cost to drive the ASA stocker?  It sounds like a BLAST!
Eldred

________

Eldred Pickett

I am NOT paranoid.  And why are you always watching me?!?

In so far as I can tell, there is an RPM  governer <rev limiter>,
however I'm sure constant driver abuse would increase the probability of
'premature catastophic engine failure'. <g>

Yes

Regards,

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I can't talkt about an Indy car but I can tell you that YES you can over
rev a Nascar Stock car, Just ask Jeff Gordon at Pocono last year! As for
your ASA rent a ride maybe because they knew you knew nothing about the
race car they would put in a rev limiter. Maybe they all have them, ASA is
not Nascar though.

Gene

Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA

I was simply asking a question about the sim.  Why don't you ask Jeff Gordon
about missing a shift last year at Pocono!?  Didn't you watch the race at
Pocono yesterday?  The Hendrick Team had lock-out levers on the shifter so
the drivers couldn't MIS-SHIFT from 3rd to 2nd!  Sure I know there are rev
limiters but it's still possible to BLOW an engine by DOWNSHIFTING or MISSING
a GEAR!  You didn't have to downshift that ASA car to go into the corner did
you???  Why do some of the F1 cars have those rev warning lights on the top
of the steeringwheel or dash?  Just to let them know when to shift?  I don't
think so.  What if the rev limiter fails?  I'm no expert but I'm allowed to
ask questions about a new sim and DON'T NEED YOU TO ANSWER THEM BUDDY!  Do
you have GP-2 yet and have you tried to see if the engine can blow-up?  I've
already seen a message that says you can.

Later, MUCH LATER!

Sal V.

: HEY BUD! WHAT's YOUR PROBLEM???
: I was simply asking a question about the sim.

First, let me apologize to Sal.  I let the keyboard get ahead of the
brain.  Sorry.

Let me try another approach.

F1 cars have computers in them that do all of the engine 'management'.
Things such as lifting slightly when shifting, limiting the revs, limiting
speed in pits, etc.

For upshifting the engine will not blow up because the revs are limited.
You can (as I have in real life) hold a car on the limiter without fear of
venting it out.  Sure it don't sound so pretty good, but she'll hold
together.

For downshifting, the car WOULD blow up, but the computer won't let it.
A NASCAR has a standard 'H' pattern.  As I driver they can go from 4th to
1st in one change.  However, F1 is sequential and must go 6-5-4-3-2-1.
They can NOT skip a gear.  The computer will manage the engine to limit
the revs on a downshift.

Listen to some of the drivers on the in-car shots when they are
approaching a corner that requires downshifting.  Listen to how fast they
go down the gears.  Listen to how the engine does not blow up.

For realism, I do not want my engine to blow up from over-reving.  From
mechanical is a whole other story.

It's all about computers and engine management.

Even if it HAS been in arcade games, so what.  Bad AI has been in all of
them too, but have they changed that?  Only slightly, I guess!  :)

Any engine in the world will be blow up on a too quick downshift, except
for the cars with intelligent gearbox like the porsches with their
Tiptronic Gearbox (and now also Saab I believe). A F1 is not equiped
with such electronics and blowups still happens in downshifts, even when
they are within rev range.

Most rev limiters deny the engine either sparks or fuel when a specific
rev limit is reached.  This only removes/reduces the ability to blow the
engine when you are shifting up the gearbox.  When you are shifting down
the gearbox the rev limiter is unable to do anything about the speed of
the road wheels affecting the speed of the enging revs, hence a blown
engine.  This is another way of blowing your engine and is done not as
infrequently as you suggest in racing, hence the wish to introduce it into
the game for more realism.

Regards,
Michael Knowles.