rec.autos.simulators

by **David L. Co** » Tue, 28 Dec 1999 04:00:00

The Pits http://www.racesimcentral.net/ has screenshots of David Kaemmer's
Nascar Racing simulation!

Since their links to the larger images don't work (at least for me) here
are direct links to all the images:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/(It still says NR3)
http://www.racesimcentral.net/(Opponent Manager)
http://www.racesimcentral.net/(Graphics)
http://www.racesimcentral.net/(Car Setup Suspension)
http://www.racesimcentral.net/(Car Setup Drivetrain)
http://www.racesimcentral.net/(Car Setup Weight Dist.)
http://www.racesimcentral.net/(Replay shot)

This is the one we've all been waiting for - new advanced physics
included. The article says that the Truck Series (which looks to be
included) will have Daytona :)

After running hundreds of on-line laps in GPL ovals this weekend, I can't
wait to get my hands on this!

--David Cook (cooknn on VROC)

by **pez** » Tue, 28 Dec 1999 04:00:00

oh yeah, i spoke to someone the other night on vroc who said that those
pictures were very old.......

pez

>The Pits http://www.theuspits.com has screenshots of David Kaemmer's
>Nascar Racing simulation!

>Since their links to the larger images don't work (at least for me) here
>are direct links to all the images:

>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss01.jpg (It still says NR3)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss03.jpg (Opponent Manager)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss06.jpg (Graphics)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss11.jpg (Car Setup Suspension)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss12.jpg (Car Setup Drivetrain)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss13.jpg (Car Setup Weight Dist.)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss19.jpg (Replay shot)

>This is the one we've all been waiting for - new advanced physics
>included. The article says that the Truck Series (which looks to be
>included) will have Daytona :)

>After running hundreds of on-line laps in GPL ovals this weekend, I can't
>wait to get my hands on this!

>--David Cook (cooknn on VROC)

by **pez** » Tue, 28 Dec 1999 04:00:00

im still looking for my jaw (its under the desk somewhere... : )
after seeing the 30 odd meg Video file that papy releases ages ago that saw
cars start in pit lane behind the pacecar for the first few laps, cars
bouncing around, and generally looking a whole lot better than N3 ended
up....WOWOWOOWOWW.

GPL is ace at michigan, my quickest time is now 40.93 in the lotus, but im
still working on it...2 seconds quicker than last night....make sure those
camber angles are set before getting on the track.

pez

>The Pits http://www.theuspits.com has screenshots of David Kaemmer's
>Nascar Racing simulation!

>Since their links to the larger images don't work (at least for me) here
>are direct links to all the images:

>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss01.jpg (It still says NR3)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss03.jpg (Opponent Manager)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss06.jpg (Graphics)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss11.jpg (Car Setup Suspension)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss12.jpg (Car Setup Drivetrain)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss13.jpg (Car Setup Weight Dist.)
>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss19.jpg (Replay shot)

>This is the one we've all been waiting for - new advanced physics
>included. The article says that the Truck Series (which looks to be
>included) will have Daytona :)

>After running hundreds of on-line laps in GPL ovals this weekend, I can't
>wait to get my hands on this!

>--David Cook (cooknn on VROC)

by **Vintoo** » Tue, 28 Dec 1999 04:00:00

I've read from Pez that the pictures are very old which leads me to believe
that this is the original Nascar3. I guess it was taking too long to put
together so they threw together what we now have as Nascar3(or should I say
Nascar2 with 3dfx). It's nice to know someone at Papyrus is still working on
the original project! Can't wait to see more of it!

Vintook

by **pez** » Wed, 29 Dec 1999 04:00:00

but they are from the gpl phys engined game.....

pez

>oh yeah, i spoke to someone the other night on vroc who said that those
>pictures were very old.......

>pez

>>The Pits http://www.theuspits.com has screenshots of David Kaemmer's
>>Nascar Racing simulation!

>>Since their links to the larger images don't work (at least for me) here
>>are direct links to all the images:

>>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss01.jpg (It still says NR3)
>>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss03.jpg (Opponent Manager)
>>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss06.jpg (Graphics)
>>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss11.jpg (Car Setup Suspension)
>>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss12.jpg (Car Setup Drivetrain)
>>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss13.jpg (Car Setup Weight Dist.)
>>http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss19.jpg (Replay shot)

>>This is the one we've all been waiting for - new advanced physics
>>included. The article says that the Truck Series (which looks to be
>>included) will have Daytona :)

>>After running hundreds of on-line laps in GPL ovals this weekend, I can't
>>wait to get my hands on this!

>>--David Cook (cooknn on VROC)

by **Andy Bac** » Mon, 03 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Some of us however wishes they'd get CART3 out the door before working on
NASCAR3 again(the current N3 should be NASCAR 2.5, but I digress)...

Moping in Ottawa...

Andy

> I've read from Pez that the pictures are very old which leads me to believe
> that this is the original Nascar3. I guess it was taking too long to put
> together so they threw together what we now have as Nascar3(or should I say
> Nascar2 with 3dfx). It's nice to know someone at Papyrus is still working on
> the original project! Can't wait to see more of it!

> Vintook

> > The Pits http://www.theuspits.com has screenshots of David Kaemmer's
> > Nascar Racing simulation!

> > Since their links to the larger images don't work (at least for me) here
> > are direct links to all the images:

> > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss01.jpg (It still says NR3)
> > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss03.jpg (Opponent Manager)
> > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss06.jpg (Graphics)
> > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss11.jpg (Car Setup Suspension)
> > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss12.jpg (Car Setup Drivetrain)
> > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss13.jpg (Car Setup Weight Dist.)
> > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss19.jpg (Replay shot)

> > This is the one we've all been waiting for - new advanced physics
> > included. The article says that the Truck Series (which looks to be
> > included) will have Daytona :)

> > After running hundreds of on-line laps in GPL ovals this weekend, I can't
> > wait to get my hands on this!

> > --David Cook (cooknn on VROC)

by **Dan Belch** » Mon, 03 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hell yeah! We need a new CART _sim_! I hope that Kaemmer (who's real love is
open wheel racing I believe) can convince the other guys at Papy and Sierra to
make a new CART sim soon. Hell, I'd even be happy with an N3 style remake of
ICR2, with skid marks, free multiplayer, improved physics, and better graphics.

Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited
http://simcrashes.cjb.net

by **Mike Laske** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I'd vote for that.

Mike.

by **Joel Willstei** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Andy,

Cart3 or whatever it was going to be called, has been shelved.
Papyrus/Sierra is out of the open wheel sim business after GPLs dismal sales
record.

The only way we are ever going to get a high quality Cart sim is for a
small company or group of people to do it, like DTR or the two brothers
doing WSC.

Joel Willstein

by **Arne Marti** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

> Cart3 or whatever it was going to be called, has been shelved.
> Papyrus/Sierra is out of the open wheel sim business after GPLs dismal sales
> record.

Where do you have this information from?
Not saying you're wrong, but I just wonder where you got it from because
I haven't heard anything from Papy/Sierra about this myself.

--
Arne Martin

by **David L. Coo** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

We were talking with Grant Reeve about it the other night on VROC. He
pretty much confirmed that another Cart sim was not going to happen any time
soon. More of a Sierra issue than with Papy...

--David Cook

> > Cart3 or whatever it was going to be called, has been shelved.
> > Papyrus/Sierra is out of the open wheel sim business after GPLs dismal
sales
> > record.

> Where do you have this information from?
> Not saying you're wrong, but I just wonder where you got it from because
> I haven't heard anything from Papy/Sierra about this myself.

> --
> Arne Martin

by **Marty U'Re** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Guess we are doomed to endure ANOTHER nascar sim while Sierra won't even warm over
ICR2 like they did for Nx several times. Once again the corp. suits abandon
quality for mediocaty.

I hope RatBag or Motorsims or some other small creative developer, who unlike
Papy, are not shackled to a corporate giant, can pick up the ball and kick
Sierra's flabby butt. My wallet is waiting.

Marty

> Some of us however wishes they'd get CART3 out the door before working on
> NASCAR3 again(the current N3 should be NASCAR 2.5, but I digress)...

> Moping in Ottawa...

> Andy

> > I've read from Pez that the pictures are very old which leads me to believe
> > that this is the original Nascar3. I guess it was taking too long to put
> > together so they threw together what we now have as Nascar3(or should I say
> > Nascar2 with 3dfx). It's nice to know someone at Papyrus is still working on
> > the original project! Can't wait to see more of it!

> > Vintook

> > > The Pits http://www.theuspits.com has screenshots of David Kaemmer's
> > > Nascar Racing simulation!

> > > Since their links to the larger images don't work (at least for me) here
> > > are direct links to all the images:

> > > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss01.jpg (It still says NR3)
> > > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss03.jpg (Opponent Manager)
> > > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss06.jpg (Graphics)
> > > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss11.jpg (Car Setup Suspension)
> > > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss12.jpg (Car Setup Drivetrain)
> > > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss13.jpg (Car Setup Weight Dist.)
> > > http://www.theuspits.com/pics/N3ss19.jpg (Replay shot)

> > > This is the one we've all been waiting for - new advanced physics
> > > included. The article says that the Truck Series (which looks to be
> > > included) will have Daytona :)

> > > After running hundreds of on-line laps in GPL ovals this weekend, I can't
> > > wait to get my hands on this!

> > > --David Cook (cooknn on VROC)

by **Joel Willstei** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Marty,

This just may be the only way we will ever get a 1st rate Cart sim. WSC
is being done by just two brothers,and their benchmark is GPL. If it takes
off,then just maybe they will do a Champ car sim next. Only I hope it
doesn't take them 3 years to do.

Joel Willstein

by **Michael Barlo** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

> As disappointed as I am, I can understand the logic used. CART/IRL numbers
> are just not appealing to any marketing person, while NASCAR continues to
> climb. CART does great if you take into account the global marketplace, but
> seems to be weakest in the US, for some unknown reason. And I doubt any
> agreement between CART and the IRL will solve this in the short term.

> So is there any way we can voice our displeasure to Papy? I've bought CART
> (ICR2), N1, N2, N3 and GPL, so when I tell them I'd buy CART2 I think they can
> count on that. GPL has some great attributes, but it still stinks in others
> (graphics being #1) - even N3's pictures are cartoonish. I think a CART game
> with some kick-ass graphics, plus the physics modelling of GPL (modified for
> 2K wings of course) would blow away the market. It wouldn't outsell the
> NASCAR franchise, but I bet it would make money for them.

> Should we put up a web petition, collecting some names, then forwarding it to
> Papy? I don't want to whine (too late, I know), but I would like to show them
> there's some definite interest.

> This reminds me - there was an open-source racing engine being developed, but
> I lost the URL. Can anyone update me on this?

> Thanks.

> > Guess we are doomed to endure ANOTHER nascar sim while Sierra won't even warm
> > over ICR2 like they did for Nx several times. Once again the corp. suits abandon
> > quality for mediocaty.

> > I hope RatBag or Motorsims or some other small creative developer, who unlike
> > Papy, are not shackled to a corporate giant, can pick up the ball and kick
> > Sierra's flabby butt. My wallet is waiting.

> > Marty

> >> Some of us however wishes they'd get CART3 out the door before working on
> >> NASCAR3 again(the current N3 should be NASCAR 2.5, but I digress)...

> >> Moping in Ottawa...

> >> Andy

> Andy Backa
> The only skills I have the patience to learn are those that have no real application in life.
> - Calvin and Hobbes

> Chewey Pages: http://home.istar.ca/~chewey

Just a thought on this.. What were the numbers of the other open wheeld
sims? ICR2 and the microsoft sim? That may give you a better idea of if
that will sell well or not.
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by **Joel Willstei** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I really don't think that anything short of a sim miracle would help.

What do you base your assumption on that a top flight Cart sim would
"blow the market way" and turn a profit for Sierra and their holding
company? How many copies are you talking about ? GPL only sold 40K+ copies,
and was a complete financial disaster.

Just how many people do you think would sign your web petition? You
most likely would need in excess of 250,000 names. That's 210,000 more than
the total of gpl purchasers. And while we're at it, just how many copies of
ICR2 were actually sold ? Not enough to get Sierra to grant Papyrus the go
ahead with ICR3.

As we pointed out in earlier posts, the only way we are going to get a
1st rate Champ car sim, is by a small house,not a major player who needs big
buck returns.

Joel Willstein

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