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Mr. King..  The Master of Slander without Facts.. Same ole Kevin King!

Where is your proof !!!   Post it on a website..

Who ever said I was ever caught on Ten.

Ten? Papyrus?  No One!!  Just more made up ***from Kevin King!   You are
right that many people were caught, but it wasnt me as I never did.

If you remember there was only one person reported caught and it wasnt me..  

Get your facts straight!

lol

don

  I guess you are unaware of Don's past?  He was caught cheating on TEN.  Try not to lecture me.  Thanks.

        Let me get this straight. You are blaming Don for cheating and yes I watched you do it because
    we have found a way to get the setups to preform better? If Papy leaves the holes then whose
    fault is that?  I saw no rules stating that you can't alter the setups with adjustments that are provided
    in the setup management. If you aren't prepared to do something as basic as playing with the car
    weights to get better tire wear than thats your problem stick to fixed setups.
        By the way I'm the one who has done some of Don's setups so if you want to accuse anyone of
    cheating you better accuse me.
        Its sounds like sour grapes to me. Maybe you have over estimated your ability.

        Pete

      Oh yes and that's VERY realistic isn't it?  Especially since we were told using around 1830 Front Weight would be used.

lol

  I've been racing 5 years?  Wow news to me, I though I started on N1.  And I guess 22 is considered a kid to you, being 60 and all.

    Great Setups Pete....

    Thanks

    No the secret is out.!!

    Don Wilshe

    PS.    Been getting my best setups from you now pete for what 10 years.    Whats KK been racing online
    5 years.   Kids know everything dont they!!    They get beat and than they start name calling.  *** get
    beat and they go to work!   Thats the way it was because the new group came here 5 years ago and
    there are some bad apples!

    Don

          Let me get this straight. You are blaming Don for cheating and yes I watched you do it because
      we have found a way to get the setups to preform better? If Papy leaves the holes then whose
      fault is that?  I saw no rules stating that you can't alter the setups with adjustments that are provided
      in the setup management. If you aren't prepared to do something as basic as playing with the car
      weights to get better tire wear than thats your problem stick to fixed setups.
          By the way I'm the one who has done some of Don's setups so if you want to accuse anyone of
      cheating you better accuse me.
          Its sounds like sour grapes to me. Maybe you have over estimated your ability.

          Pete

        Oh yes and that's VERY realistic isn't it?  Especially since we were told using around 1830 Front Weight would be used.

    He was thats new to me! The only one on TEN accused of cheating was Robert Huggins.
Perhaps you should get off your high horse and get your facts straight. Don't need to lecture,
I was in the room after a Darlington race and watched you ranting like a child.
    Since you avoided the rest of what I posted why not tell us of the holes you and others
have found and used to advantage over the last few years. Big cambers comes to mind.
    Like I said sour grapes.

  I guess you are unaware of Don's past?  He was caught cheating on TEN.  Try not to lecture me.  Thanks.

    Don, as you know I got out of the online racing scene for a few years and only
started racing online with N2002 and didn't do particularily well because of controller
issues. That has now been resolved and my long time team mate Barry Clay and I
have started getting semi-serious with setups.
    Because of my health problems I don't have the energy or the drive to get involved
with too many online leagues because I can't say how I will be feeling from day to day.
    I have limited my racing to the Rascar group because I feel they are a good group
and don't see the ego stuff. And they hopefully tolerate my driving.
    I have always shared my ideas and setups with friends who I feel can do a much better
job of driving them I can. It amazes me that some people who have only been around a
couple of years think that they are the greatest sim driver around.
    I look at all the great drivers who have come and gone over the years and are for many
reasons no longer at it. Burnout being probably the best culprit.
    Not to belittle the many great drivers that are still at it but there is always somebody better.
    It just ticks me off to see someone get beat and then jump on the cheat bandwagon because
of their deflated ego. The fact that I put many hours into figuring out how to get the car to not
only run fast but to get the tires to last within the confines of the game. Log on and ask how you
made out only to see a tirade thrown and then a cheer leading attempt of accusations. Pretty sad.
    I'm glad that you have been able to get some usuage out of the setups Barry and I have worked
on. It still takes a great driver to use the tools you are given properly.

    Pete

  Great Setups Pete....

  Thanks

  No the secret is out.!!

  Don Wilshe

  PS.    Been getting my best setups from you now pete for what 10 years.    Whats KK been racing online
  5 years.   Kids know everything dont they!!    They get beat and than they start name calling.  *** get
  beat and they go to work!   Thats the way it was because the new group came here 5 years ago and
  there are some bad apples!

  Don

    More childish rants! Cars flipping in the turns, nice trick! What track are you talking of
with the third lane and drafting. I can't say which tracks Don uses my setups at or not.
I have also seen some unbelieveable things occur in the game over the years which I
have found questionable as well but without proof Papy did nothing.

  Oh and also, did you make that miraculous setup that allows you to flip your car at Homestead in the turns?  And did you make the setup that can run in the 3rd lane up high, and pass 2 packs of cars with no draft?   Did you make those?

So you're going to tell me you have NEVER used a cheat, EVER?  Please Don, even you know this isn't true.  And you want to talk about Slander?  How about your little conversation with Derek the other day?  Or how you pose as Joey Aguilar and go out and bash my "wife."  Hint #2 I'm not married Don, but nice try.

  Mr. King..  The Master of Slander without Facts.. Same ole Kevin King!

  Where is your proof !!!   Post it on a website..

  Who ever said I was ever caught on Ten.

  Ten? Papyrus?  No One!!  Just more made up ***from Kevin King!   You are
  right that many people were caught, but it wasnt me as I never did.

  If you remember there was only one person reported caught and it wasnt me..  

  Get your facts straight!

  lol

  don

    I guess you are unaware of Don's past?  He was caught cheating on TEN.  Try not to lecture me.  Thanks.

          Let me get this straight. You are blaming Don for cheating and yes I watched you do it because
      we have found a way to get the setups to preform better? If Papy leaves the holes then whose
      fault is that?  I saw no rules stating that you can't alter the setups with adjustments that are provided
      in the setup management. If you aren't prepared to do something as basic as playing with the car
      weights to get better tire wear than thats your problem stick to fixed setups.
          By the way I'm the one who has done some of Don's setups so if you want to accuse anyone of
      cheating you better accuse me.
          Its sounds like sour grapes to me. Maybe you have over estimated your ability.

          Pete

        Oh yes and that's VERY realistic isn't it?  Especially since we were told using around 1830 Front Weight would be used.

Cambers, I never once used the 7/-7, I swear on that.  It never worked for me, AND guess what?  I have a lot of decency in myself to not use stupid tricks that I know are flaws.  Like the 7/-7 camber BS in N4.  And the high PSI that followed it.  Pete you don't know me, so why to judge me based off what Don says to you?  Why is Don not invited to run in VRW?  Obviously something that he has done previously.

      He was thats new to me! The only one on TEN accused of cheating was Robert Huggins.
  Perhaps you should get off your high horse and get your facts straight. Don't need to lecture,
  I was in the room after a Darlington race and watched you ranting like a child.
      Since you avoided the rest of what I posted why not tell us of the holes you and others
  have found and used to advantage over the last few years. Big cambers comes to mind.
      Like I said sour grapes.

    I guess you are unaware of Don's past?  He was caught cheating on TEN.  Try not to lecture me.  Thanks.

Ask Don Pete.  His friend Loan managed to flip his car over at Homestead.  Ever see that before?  He also managed to pass 2 packs of cars up high at Tona, with NO draft help.  Oh yeah he also flipped his car over by going from the apron to the track at Vegas.  If I could find the replay I will be happy to upload them.

      More childish rants! Cars flipping in the turns, nice trick! What track are you talking of
  with the third lane and drafting. I can't say which tracks Don uses my setups at or not.
  I have also seen some unbelieveable things occur in the game over the years which I
  have found questionable as well but without proof Papy did nothing.

    Oh and also, did you make that miraculous setup that allows you to flip your car at Homestead in the turns?  And did you make the setup that can run in the 3rd lane up high, and pass 2 packs of cars with no draft?   Did you make those?

KK you cant have it both ways....

You idiot.. hehe..   You say you never used 7/7 and than you say it never worked for you!
Read below your own post!

lol

DW

  Cambers, I never once used the 7/-7, I swear on that.  It never worked for me,

Check any of my setups where I had it.  You wont find any.  Trying and used is different.  Nice try though.  Now answer my question.

  KK you cant have it both ways....

  You idiot.. hehe..   You say you never used 7/7 and than you say it never worked for you!
  Read below your own post!

  lol

  DW

    Cambers, I never once used the 7/-7, I swear on that.  It never worked for me,

    Because I take it very personal when someone uses my setup and is accused of
cheating.
    Don, isn't allowed to run in VRW because of his run ins with Nim Cross many years
ago.
    I not sure I would be allowed to either because of things from the early days on Hawaii.
Although nothing with Nim that I'm aware of. I have been black listed before because of
who I chose to be friends with, but thats my choice.
    There are many holes in all of the editions of Papyrus sims. I know this from first hand
experience. Realistic setups never worked before this edition so why would you try and run
them. I have real life setups at my disposal and somethings work and some things don't.
    If I find something that works you would suggest I not use it because it isn't realistic?
This fight has gone on for as many years as I have been playing Nascar sims. It used to
be titled "grey areas". If its in the game its legit as far as I'm concerned. If you don't experiment
to find out what works maybe you shouldn't accuse people of cheating because they can run
faster or longer than you.
    As far as running faster with no draft, I can tell you it is possible at Daytona and Dega in
N2002. I guy by the name of Doug Benware did a setup that had Don and I accused of cheating
because people couldn't run with us. I could outrun a line of cars on the inside while I was on
the outside line with no drafting help. So yes stranger things can happen and still be legit.
    I know quite a bit about the cheating area and if I chose to I could take advantage of it. There are
cheaters out there now and there always have been. I talked with hackers and cheaters to find
out what they were doing. Its not that hard if you know the right people.
    I can't say I'm Don's keeper but when I have run with him over the years I have won as many as
I have lost. So if he is cheating he hasn't done it around me.
    As far as Nim's league goes, he was talking with me on the phone one night and suggested I go
watch the VRW league race. The next thing I know he is accused of illegally running in the race.
    It was hilarious because I sat and talked with him the whole time that race was being run and I
know he wasn't driving in it.
    Its easy to accuse people as a crutch for ones own deficiencies my advice try harder. Thats what
I learned to do the hard way.

  Cambers, I never once used the 7/-7, I swear on that.  It never worked for me, AND guess what?  I have a lot of decency in myself to not use stupid tricks that I know are flaws.  Like the 7/-7 camber BS in N4.  And the high PSI that followed it.  Pete you don't know me, so why to judge me based off what Don says to you?  Why is Don not invited to run in VRW?  Obviously something that he has done previously.

    Your going to tell me that you publically post your best setups? If I found something
that made me run a lot faster than everyone else and was running in competitive leagues
I sure as hell wouldn't be giving it to everyone.
    The camber tricks have been around since Nascar 1 and they are still there. People
wondered for the whole time I was on Hawaii why I was so fast at Tally. Well it was the
Camber.
    If you can accuse Don of cheating with no proof why should I believe you will be totally
honest about your setups?

  Check any of my setups where I had it.  You wont find any.  Trying and used is different.  Nice try though.  Now answer my question.

    I answered the Daytona deal up above. Yes it can be done. I have done it in many
races.
    As far as flipping cars I seem to recall being several hundred feet in the air with
previous Nascar releases. So that wouldn't surprise me as much as the old invisible
walls we had to deal with at some tracks.
    Again I have been around too long and seen too many bugs.

  Ask Don Pete.  His friend Loan managed to flip his car over at Homestead.  Ever see that before?  He also managed to pass 2 packs of cars up high at Tona, with NO draft help.  Oh yeah he also flipped his car over by going from the apron to the track at Vegas.  If I could find the replay I will be happy to upload them.

Yes I do, I have nothing to hide.

      Your going to tell me that you publically post your best setups? If I found something
  that made me run a lot faster than everyone else and was running in competitive leagues
  I sure as hell wouldn't be giving it to everyone.
      The camber tricks have been around since Nascar 1 and they are still there. People
  wondered for the whole time I was on Hawaii why I was so fast at Tally. Well it was the
  Camber.
      If you can accuse Don of cheating with no proof why should I believe you will be totally
  honest about your setups?

    Check any of my setups where I had it.  You wont find any.  Trying and used is different.  Nice try though.  Now answer my question.