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by **Stif** » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I was wondering if the great Dave Noonan has any plans to make the converter

there every August). Just wondering...............

by **John Simmo** » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>I was wondering if the great Dave Noonan has any plans to
>make the converter GPL>N3 (N2). I would love to race the

>Just wondering...

Nobody has yet been able (or tried) to convert GPL tracks to N3. But
IMHO, MoSport isn't wide enough for stockcars. I think we'd be better
off with Spa, Silverstone and Monza. Those tracks are wide, with no
sudden altitude changes, and have a good number of straight sections.

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by **Wayne Hutchiso** » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

It might not be wide enough today, but that doesn't stop CASCAR from racing
there. If you haven't heard of CASCAR, it's the Canadian equivalent of
NASCAR, but all the races are run on short tracks and road courses, since we
have no superspeedways up here. The cars look the same as NASCAR, but have
less horsepower to match the short tracks.

Also, Mosport is currently undergoing major renovations, including widening
the roadbed, moving back barriers, hillsides, etc. to allow for widening of
the track and inproved sight lines through some of the corners. See
www.mosport.com for details.

Wayne Hutchison

> >I was wondering if the great Dave Noonan has any plans to
> >make the converter GPL>N3 (N2). I would love to race the

> >Just wondering...

> Nobody has yet been able (or tried) to convert GPL tracks to N3. But
> IMHO, MoSport isn't wide enough for stockcars. I think we'd be better
> off with Spa, Silverstone and Monza. Those tracks are wide, with no
> sudden altitude changes, and have a good number of straight sections.

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by **Shaun Robinso** » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Yup, soon F-1 will come back and everyone will be happy. Can't wait for
the new timing tower to go up. The stairway going to the old one over
the pit boxes was rather frightening. Do you know what's happening with
the Castrol tower?

> It might not be wide enough today, but that doesn't stop CASCAR from racing
> there. If you haven't heard of CASCAR, it's the Canadian equivalent of
> NASCAR, but all the races are run on short tracks and road courses, since we
> have no superspeedways up here. The cars look the same as NASCAR, but have
> less horsepower to match the short tracks.

> Also, Mosport is currently undergoing major renovations, including widening
> the roadbed, moving back barriers, hillsides, etc. to allow for widening of
> the track and inproved sight lines through some of the corners. See
> www.mosport.com for details.

> Wayne Hutchison

> > >I was wondering if the great Dave Noonan has any plans to
> > >make the converter GPL>N3 (N2). I would love to race the

> > >Just wondering...

> > Nobody has yet been able (or tried) to convert GPL tracks to N3. But
> > IMHO, MoSport isn't wide enough for stockcars. I think we'd be better
> > off with Spa, Silverstone and Monza. Those tracks are wide, with no
> > sudden altitude changes, and have a good number of straight sections.

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by **Michael Basde** » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

God I hate it when people try to compare Cascar to Nascar! The only
measure you can compare between them is that Cascar is our 'premier'
stockcar league in Canada as is Nascar to the US. When it comes to the
cars, there is NO comparison...fiberglass bodies, bone stock components,
under powered, under tired, total lack of technological sophistication, etc,
etc... And as for the drivers; don't even get me started!

Mike Basden

> It might not be wide enough today, but that doesn't stop CASCAR from
racing
> there. If you haven't heard of CASCAR, it's the Canadian equivalent of
> NASCAR, but all the races are run on short tracks and road courses, since
we
> have no superspeedways up here. The cars look the same as NASCAR, but have
> less horsepower to match the short tracks.

> Also, Mosport is currently undergoing major renovations, including
widening
> the roadbed, moving back barriers, hillsides, etc. to allow for widening
of
> the track and inproved sight lines through some of the corners. See
> www.mosport.com for details.

> Wayne Hutchison

> > >I was wondering if the great Dave Noonan has any plans to
> > >make the converter GPL>N3 (N2). I would love to race the

> > >Just wondering...

> > Nobody has yet been able (or tried) to convert GPL tracks to N3. But
> > IMHO, MoSport isn't wide enough for stockcars. I think we'd be better
> > off with Spa, Silverstone and Monza. Those tracks are wide, with no
> > sudden altitude changes, and have a good number of straight sections.

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by **Shaun Robinso** » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hey, Robin Buck is cool. After he won at Toronto he pulled a Zanardi and
did donuts. Though that doesn't make a good driver it was still kind of
cool. To bad he only got second at Mosport, i had a much better seat
(mmmmm... air conditioned timing tower...).

> God I hate it when people try to compare Cascar to Nascar! The only
> measure you can compare between them is that Cascar is our 'premier'
> stockcar league in Canada as is Nascar to the US. When it comes to the
> cars, there is NO comparison...fiberglass bodies, bone stock components,
> under powered, under tired, total lack of technological sophistication, etc,
> etc... And as for the drivers; don't even get me started!

> Mike Basden

> > It might not be wide enough today, but that doesn't stop CASCAR from
> racing
> > there. If you haven't heard of CASCAR, it's the Canadian equivalent of
> > NASCAR, but all the races are run on short tracks and road courses, since
> we
> > have no superspeedways up here. The cars look the same as NASCAR, but have
> > less horsepower to match the short tracks.

> > Also, Mosport is currently undergoing major renovations, including
> widening
> > the roadbed, moving back barriers, hillsides, etc. to allow for widening
> of
> > the track and inproved sight lines through some of the corners. See
> > www.mosport.com for details.

> > Wayne Hutchison

> > > >I was wondering if the great Dave Noonan has any plans to
> > > >make the converter GPL>N3 (N2). I would love to race the

> > > >Just wondering...

> > > Nobody has yet been able (or tried) to convert GPL tracks to N3. But
> > > IMHO, MoSport isn't wide enough for stockcars. I think we'd be better
> > > off with Spa, Silverstone and Monza. Those tracks are wide, with no
> > > sudden altitude changes, and have a good number of straight sections.

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by **Stif** » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I have got a guy painting the Cascar set right now. When he's done I will
let you know where it is posted..........As well that day at Mosport (the
day of the cascar race) was cold! I sat in T5 and had two jackets on as well
as two pairs of jogging pants! An a/c control tower? You should have had the
heat on!

> Hey, Robin Buck is cool. After he won at Toronto he pulled a Zanardi and
> did donuts. Though that doesn't make a good driver it was still kind of
> cool. To bad he only got second at Mosport, i had a much better seat
> (mmmmm... air conditioned timing tower...).

> > God I hate it when people try to compare Cascar to Nascar! The only
> > measure you can compare between them is that Cascar is our 'premier'
> > stockcar league in Canada as is Nascar to the US. When it comes to the
> > cars, there is NO comparison...fiberglass bodies, bone stock components,
> > under powered, under tired, total lack of technological sophistication,
etc,
> > etc... And as for the drivers; don't even get me started!

> > Mike Basden

> > > It might not be wide enough today, but that doesn't stop CASCAR from
> > racing
> > > there. If you haven't heard of CASCAR, it's the Canadian equivalent of
> > > NASCAR, but all the races are run on short tracks and road courses,
since
> > we
> > > have no superspeedways up here. The cars look the same as NASCAR, but
have
> > > less horsepower to match the short tracks.

> > > Also, Mosport is currently undergoing major renovations, including
> > widening
> > > the roadbed, moving back barriers, hillsides, etc. to allow for
widening
> > of
> > > the track and inproved sight lines through some of the corners. See
> > > www.mosport.com for details.

> > > Wayne Hutchison

> > > > >I was wondering if the great Dave Noonan has any plans to
> > > > >make the converter GPL>N3 (N2). I would love to race the

> > > > >Just wondering...

> > > > Nobody has yet been able (or tried) to convert GPL tracks to N3.
But
> > > > IMHO, MoSport isn't wide enough for stockcars. I think we'd be
better
> > > > off with Spa, Silverstone and Monza. Those tracks are wide, with no
> > > > sudden altitude changes, and have a good number of straight
sections.

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by **Philste** » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Nonsense! They race there in CASCAR. I want the track to!.

Philster

> >I was wondering if the great Dave Noonan has any plans to
> >make the converter GPL>N3 (N2). I would love to race the

> >Just wondering...

> Nobody has yet been able (or tried) to convert GPL tracks to N3. But
> IMHO, MoSport isn't wide enough for stockcars. I think we'd be better
> off with Spa, Silverstone and Monza. Those tracks are wide, with no
> sudden altitude changes, and have a good number of straight sections.

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by **John Simmo** » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

First, we're not talking about what the real track is like today, or will
be like in the future. We're talking about the track as it exists in the
simulators. Mosport *in GPL* is NOT wide enough for a Nascar race. Not
only that, but the halfwaypoint dip-rise-right-right leading to the back
straight would be almost impossible to navigate at speed in a 3000-pound
stockcar. If nothing else, it would be a slow-speed bottleneck everytime
a handful of cars approaches it. No way, no how, could you make an
interesting race in the sims using NR3 stockcars at Mosport.

Second, Cascar cars are much lighter, and aren't nearly as fast as a
Nascar winston cup car. In other words, the comparison is pointless.

>It might not be wide enough today, but that doesn't stop
>CASCAR from racing there. If you haven't heard of CASCAR,
>it's the Canadian equivalent of NASCAR, but all the races
>are run on short tracks and road courses, since we have
>no superspeedways up here. The cars look the same as
>NASCAR, but have less horsepower to match the short tracks.

>Also, Mosport is currently undergoing major renovations,
>including widening the roadbed, moving back barriers,
>hillsides, etc. to allow for widening of the track and
>improved sight lines through some of the corners. See
>www.mosport.com for details.

>>>I was wondering if the great Dave Noonan has any plans to
>>>make the converter GPL>N3 (N2). I would love to race the

>>>Just wondering...

>> Nobody has yet been able (or tried) to convert GPL tracks to N3. But
>> IMHO, MoSport isn't wide enough for stockcars. I think we'd be better
>> off with Spa, Silverstone and Monza. Those tracks are wide, with no
>> sudden altitude changes, and have a good number of straight sections.

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by **Shaun Robinso** » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Unfortunately, the owner before Panoz invested little or no money in the
track and there for, until this off season and except minor adding of
cement walls, the track is the same as it was when it first opened. Its
the same asphalt, same pit lane and boxes, there's more run off though.
It's a narrow track in GPL and it's a narrow track in real life. For
example, going into T-2, from outside to inside, Porsche GT2/3, BMW
GT2/3, and the LMP roadster over half way on the grass on drivers left.
"halfwaypoint dip-rise-right-right"? It's called a hairpin, and the
CASCARs maneuvered through it quiet well. You didn't go to the Canadian
Auction Group 250 did you?

> First, we're not talking about what the real track is like today, or will
> be like in the future. We're talking about the track as it exists in the
> simulators. Mosport *in GPL* is NOT wide enough for a Nascar race. Not
> only that, but the halfwaypoint dip-rise-right-right leading to the back
> straight would be almost impossible to navigate at speed in a 3000-pound
> stockcar. If nothing else, it would be a slow-speed bottleneck everytime
> a handful of cars approaches it. No way, no how, could you make an
> interesting race in the sims using NR3 stockcars at Mosport.

> Second, Cascar cars are much lighter, and aren't nearly as fast as a
> Nascar winston cup car. In other words, the comparison is pointless.

> >It might not be wide enough today, but that doesn't stop
> >CASCAR from racing there. If you haven't heard of CASCAR,
> >it's the Canadian equivalent of NASCAR, but all the races
> >are run on short tracks and road courses, since we have
> >no superspeedways up here. The cars look the same as
> >NASCAR, but have less horsepower to match the short tracks.

> >Also, Mosport is currently undergoing major renovations,
> >including widening the roadbed, moving back barriers,
> >hillsides, etc. to allow for widening of the track and
> >improved sight lines through some of the corners. See
> >www.mosport.com for details.

> >>>I was wondering if the great Dave Noonan has any plans to
> >>>make the converter GPL>N3 (N2). I would love to race the

> >>>Just wondering...

> >> Nobody has yet been able (or tried) to convert GPL tracks to N3. But
> >> IMHO, MoSport isn't wide enough for stockcars. I think we'd be better
> >> off with Spa, Silverstone and Monza. Those tracks are wide, with no
> >> sudden altitude changes, and have a good number of straight sections.

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by **Stif** » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

First of all the track is alot like today as it appears in GPL. Your right
that the track is not wide enough but it has not stopped cars (it has
stopped some drivers as you will see) from racing at this great track. That
"right-right" your talking about is "Moss corner" and is about the best damn
place to sit at Mosport. Lots of action in that off camber corner, breaking
as you go up hill. I spoke to David Brabham at the LeMans race during the
autograph session and he said its the most exciting track to race on in the
series, with little room for mistakes. The very famous Danny Sullivan copped
out of the race saying "the track was too small" as well as the BMW team
that won 24 hrs LeMans left after the Saturday. J.J. Letho had alot to do
with it saying "the track is very dangerous". It is a track that I would
love to drive in N3. So if anyone can answer me............
Is Dave Noonan planning on making the GPL>N2 converter!
To view some excellent photos of cars that have raced at Mosport from
1977-1999 goto www.zoompics.com you will see a wide range of cars that have
tackled this great course over the years..........