rec.autos.simulators

>    I just remember that that papyrus couldn't get the nvidia  mirrors to
> work in GPL with the opengl patch...well they worked, but they really
> impacted the framerate.   papyrus kept saying it was due to Nvidia's lousy
> drivers....to this day I don't think there is a driver set that allows fast
> framerates with opengl in GPL.  The D3d patch was a godsend for non-3dfxers.
> (and YES Goy I caught your meaning)  :>
>   So to see similar issues still floating around 3 years later, doesn't give
> me much hope that Nvidia can write drivers any better than ATI.
> dave henrie

> > If it was the games fault how come all other video cards run it just
fine
> > and going back driver releases on Nvidia products fixes the problem?

> > murchman

> Well, how come every other game I have works fine and only F12001 has this
> problem? Because ISI/EA didn't test the game properly. If you want to look
> at shoddy drivers just try playing  Porsche Unleashed on an R8500. Or, why
> do so many games perform poorly on the R8500 when the hardware is actually
> superior to Nvidia's?

> >I'm looking at upgrading my GF2 to either a Geforce3 Ti 200 or an ATI
R8500
> >this week (maybe). I'm interested in the 8500 because it has more
features
> >and better image quality (although both are nice) than the GF3 cards. It
> >also looks like that when you turn on features like FSAA and such the
R8500
> >is a better performer than the GD3. At least that's how it looks to me
from
> >the review at DigitLife. But, how stable is this card in your racing sims
> >and any other games you might have? My GF2 using the 12.90 drivers has no
> >issues with any games I own and has been rock solid for me. Can I expect
the
> >same from an 8500 or am I asking for trouble if I buy this card?

> Wow.  This troll got a lot of response, didn't he?

> Go away, fanboy.

> -Tim

>> STP, looking at the article at www.Anandtech.com you may have made the
>> wrong choice. The new drivers apparently work very well and the image
>> quality is quite extraordinary. Smoothvision 2x looks a LOT nicer than
>> even 4x AA on the GF3.

>> Rafe Mc

>Thx, but I already read it, and a few other articles on the new drivers.
>Smoothvision looks better, but performs worse. I don't use FSAA on games
>unless they are old games that can't do high res. Quincunx/Smoothvision are
>not big selling features that really mean all that much to me. Compatibility
>and performance is.Cards need to be lot more powerful than they are today to
>make FSAA really viable. FSAA kills the fill rate, so does 32bit. Games are
>still pushing the envelope of performance so using those features on new
>games are still questionable. I don't think I made the wrong choice. I can
>still take it back if I really want to go R8500. I'll think about it some
>more.

>>I was about to take the Ti 200 back today and get the R8500 because there is
>>a *** bug in the Nvidia XP drivers that in some games causes a BSOD with
>>the message that nv4-disp.dll has caused an infinite loop. Appeaently it
>>doesn't happen if you use the drivers that ship with XP, but they are slow
>>in games so I won't use them. But, just read a post form a fellow who tested
>>both the R8500 and the GF3 Ti 200 and he preffered the GF3 Ti 200. So I
>>think I will just put up with the XP problem until Nvidia fixes it. Or I
>>could go back to Win98.

>That's a bit rough, I'm using win98se myself, so I haven't had those
>problems.

>The bonus with the ti 200 of course, is that it is a hell of an
>overclocker. I've already boosted mine from the stock 175 mhz core,
>400 mem up to 230 core, 517 mem. That's even faster than the ti 500 at
>almost twice the price :)

>Rafe Mc