Where's the damn F1RC patch!!!!!!

by **David G Fishe** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:54:47

Earlier tonight I did a 50% race at Montreal, and 14 of the AI cars finished
the race. No first turn pile up. AI was excellent.

I read that altering the physics can cause the AI to have problems, but then
I have never done that so I wouldn't know from experience.

You're right, a missed shift or braking 30 meters early can cause an
accident. F1 is all about precision. The cars accelerate and brake as fast
as current technology allows. The travel 2 miles around a road course and
their lap times are somehow within a few tenths every lap. Amazing. If you
make even a slight mistake, you are very likely to cause an accident. If a
simulator is realistic, then the same thing should happen. Fact is, you have
to be goooood.

Practice kiddies. You know, like how you do 8 million laps at Monza, and
then marvel at breaking the 1:28 barrier?

David G Fisher

> Dave
> I know I get sucked into these ludicrously irrational threads at times
> myself, but the best thing to do is try to ignore it.
> It's still pretty weird though that some people experience this mega
carnage
> at T1 (regardless of circuit?) so often. Certainly doesn't happen with
me,
> you or many others. Do you think it's a setting issue somewhere?
> Although we know the AI isn't right (although nothing like as bad as some
of
> the people say on ras) it's interesting to compare with F1CS (my current
2nd
> favourite modern F1) which a lot of people here say the AI is near to
> perfection. I think when people say perfection, what they mean is
> forgiving. Try going down a straight in F1CS, ram on the brakes, and see
> how many cars behind pile into you. The answer is none! No matter how
> close they are, they all go round you. Realistic or what? Let's see a
> driver try that at Montreal on sunday! Miss a gear in real F1 and you've
got
> someone up your ass!
> Iain

> > > > Maybe you and some of the others who complain about getting hit just
> > suck
> > > so
> > > > fu**en bad that the AI can't deal with your shitty driving?

> > > LOL! You are clearly morphing into the "Ubisoft mentality" DGF, that
> the
> > AI
> > > doesn't suck, it's the real drivers who do. Yep even when we start at
> the
> > > back and watch the mega carnage in T1 on the first lap 70% of the
time.

> > My game doesn't do that for some reason. It doesn't do that for others
> > either. The "learning AI" must be learning some bad traits from some of
> you.

> > DGF

by **Thom j** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 21:22:55

DGF has alot of answers & insight but George Carlin & myself want to
know who DGF is... Is he a good racer? Is he fair a racer? Is he a bad
racer? Does he race online? Does he have stats in any race genre?? Or
is he just an enigma that voices subjective opinions?
No BS DGF what about you & your racing abilities? You seem to be
so vocal' but let us know who you really are & what racing you really
do DGF...I would really like to know so how bout it? Tia... Thom_j.

| Earlier tonight I did a 50% race at Montreal, and 14 of the AI cars
finished
| the race. No first turn pile up. AI was excellent.
| I read that altering the physics can cause the AI to have problems, but
then
| I have never done that so I wouldn't know from experience.
| You're right, a missed shift or braking 30 meters early can cause an
| accident. F1 is all about precision. The cars accelerate and brake as fast
| as current technology allows. The travel 2 miles around a road course and
| their lap times are somehow within a few tenths every lap. Amazing. If you
| make even a slight mistake, you are very likely to cause an accident. If a
| simulator is realistic, then the same thing should happen. Fact is, you
have
| to be goooood.
| Practice kiddies. You know, like how you do 8 million laps at Monza, and
| then marvel at breaking the 1:28 barrier?
| David G Fisher

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by **David G Fishe** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 07:44:05

I'm not a good racer............I'm the world's greatest sim racer. I even
wear racing booties, gloves and a helmet when I plunk down in front of the
monitor. I'm a fair and courteous racer, but I also show no mercy. I started
racing online four years ago, and have crushed my opponents ever since.

David G Fisher

> DGF has alot of answers & insight but George Carlin & myself want to
> know who DGF is... Is he a good racer? Is he fair a racer? Is he a bad
> racer? Does he race online? Does he have stats in any race genre?? Or
> is he just an enigma that voices subjective opinions?
> No BS DGF what about you & your racing abilities? You seem to be
> so vocal' but let us know who you really are & what racing you really
> do DGF...I would really like to know so how bout it? Tia... Thom_j.

> | Earlier tonight I did a 50% race at Montreal, and 14 of the AI cars
> finished
> | the race. No first turn pile up. AI was excellent.
> | I read that altering the physics can cause the AI to have problems, but
> then
> | I have never done that so I wouldn't know from experience.
> | You're right, a missed shift or braking 30 meters early can cause an
> | accident. F1 is all about precision. The cars accelerate and brake as
fast
> | as current technology allows. The travel 2 miles around a road course
and
> | their lap times are somehow within a few tenths every lap. Amazing. If
you
> | make even a slight mistake, you are very likely to cause an accident. If
a
> | simulator is realistic, then the same thing should happen. Fact is, you
> have
> | to be goooood.
> | Practice kiddies. You know, like how you do 8 million laps at Monza, and
> | then marvel at breaking the 1:28 barrier?
> | David G Fisher

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by **Thom j** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:16:52

Well I guess if you ask an ass a honest question you will get nothing but
the ass'end of his buttheaded jokez! Now this says alot DGF!! You are
a legend in you own mind & have no need for anyone but yourself! I do
hope you & your delusional mind have a long distorted life!
Congrads to your shrinks, they have failed you miserably..hahaha :o)~

| I'm not a good racer............I'm the world's greatest sim racer. I even
| wear racing booties, gloves and a helmet when I plunk down in front of the
| monitor. I'm a fair and courteous racer, but I also show no mercy. I
started
| racing online four years ago, and have crushed my opponents ever since.
| David G Fisher

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by **Alex Camero** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:25:33

You're not really SAVATS are you? ;-)

> I'm not a good racer............I'm the world's greatest sim racer. I even
> wear racing booties, gloves and a helmet when I plunk down in front of the
> monitor. I'm a fair and courteous racer, but I also show no mercy. I
started
> racing online four years ago, and have crushed my opponents ever since.

> David G Fisher

> > DGF has alot of answers & insight but George Carlin & myself want to
> > know who DGF is... Is he a good racer? Is he fair a racer? Is he a bad
> > racer? Does he race online? Does he have stats in any race genre?? Or
> > is he just an enigma that voices subjective opinions?
> > No BS DGF what about you & your racing abilities? You seem to be
> > so vocal' but let us know who you really are & what racing you really
> > do DGF...I would really like to know so how bout it? Tia... Thom_j.

> > | Earlier tonight I did a 50% race at Montreal, and 14 of the AI cars
> > finished
> > | the race. No first turn pile up. AI was excellent.
> > | I read that altering the physics can cause the AI to have problems,
but
> > then
> > | I have never done that so I wouldn't know from experience.
> > | You're right, a missed shift or braking 30 meters early can cause an
> > | accident. F1 is all about precision. The cars accelerate and brake as
> fast
> > | as current technology allows. The travel 2 miles around a road course
> and
> > | their lap times are somehow within a few tenths every lap. Amazing. If
> you
> > | make even a slight mistake, you are very likely to cause an accident.
If
> a
> > | simulator is realistic, then the same thing should happen. Fact is,
you
> > have
> > | to be goooood.
> > | Practice kiddies. You know, like how you do 8 million laps at Monza,
and
> > | then marvel at breaking the 1:28 barrier?
> > | David G Fisher

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by **Jan Verschuere** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:41:08

That's right David, the ol' sarcasm to dodge a challenge trick.

's true though, you don't need any credentials to be credible... after all,
"it's just a game" to you and any skill, therefore, is irrelevant.

Jan.
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<snip>

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:47:16

Ah... was unaware of that, thank you.

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by **Thom j** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:48:21

I do and SAVATS lives 20minutes from me!! Busted!! hahahaha

| You're not really SAVATS are you? ;-)

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by **David G Fishe** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:56:22

I honestly don't even know who or what a SAVATS is.

David G Fisher

> You're not really SAVATS are you? ;-)

> > I'm not a good racer............I'm the world's greatest sim racer. I
even
> > wear racing booties, gloves and a helmet when I plunk down in front of
the
> > monitor. I'm a fair and courteous racer, but I also show no mercy. I
> started
> > racing online four years ago, and have crushed my opponents ever since.

> > David G Fisher

> > > DGF has alot of answers & insight but George Carlin & myself want to
> > > know who DGF is... Is he a good racer? Is he fair a racer? Is he a bad
> > > racer? Does he race online? Does he have stats in any race genre?? Or
> > > is he just an enigma that voices subjective opinions?
> > > No BS DGF what about you & your racing abilities? You seem to be
> > > so vocal' but let us know who you really are & what racing you really
> > > do DGF...I would really like to know so how bout it? Tia... Thom_j.

> > > | Earlier tonight I did a 50% race at Montreal, and 14 of the AI cars
> > > finished
> > > | the race. No first turn pile up. AI was excellent.
> > > | I read that altering the physics can cause the AI to have problems,
> but
> > > then
> > > | I have never done that so I wouldn't know from experience.
> > > | You're right, a missed shift or braking 30 meters early can cause an
> > > | accident. F1 is all about precision. The cars accelerate and brake
as
> > fast
> > > | as current technology allows. The travel 2 miles around a road
course
> > and
> > > | their lap times are somehow within a few tenths every lap. Amazing.
If
> > you
> > > | make even a slight mistake, you are very likely to cause an
accident.
> If
> > a
> > > | simulator is realistic, then the same thing should happen. Fact is,
> you
> > > have
> > > | to be goooood.
> > > | Practice kiddies. You know, like how you do 8 million laps at Monza,
> and
> > > | then marvel at breaking the 1:28 barrier?
> > > | David G Fisher

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by **Uncle Feste** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:03:01

> I honestly don't even know who or what a SAVATS is.

An open-wheel God, in his own mind. ;-)

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by **Don Burnett** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 11:05:40

LOL,
There are talkers, and then there are do-ers.
I doubt it would be hard to tell what applies here.

Don Burnette

> I'm not a good racer............I'm the world's greatest sim racer. I even
> wear racing booties, gloves and a helmet when I plunk down in front of the
> monitor. I'm a fair and courteous racer, but I also show no mercy. I
started
> racing online four years ago, and have crushed my opponents ever since.

> David G Fisher

> > DGF has alot of answers & insight but George Carlin & myself want to
> > know who DGF is... Is he a good racer? Is he fair a racer? Is he a bad
> > racer? Does he race online? Does he have stats in any race genre?? Or
> > is he just an enigma that voices subjective opinions?
> > No BS DGF what about you & your racing abilities? You seem to be
> > so vocal' but let us know who you really are & what racing you really
> > do DGF...I would really like to know so how bout it? Tia... Thom_j.

> > | Earlier tonight I did a 50% race at Montreal, and 14 of the AI cars
> > finished
> > | the race. No first turn pile up. AI was excellent.
> > | I read that altering the physics can cause the AI to have problems,
but
> > then
> > | I have never done that so I wouldn't know from experience.
> > | You're right, a missed shift or braking 30 meters early can cause an
> > | accident. F1 is all about precision. The cars accelerate and brake as
> fast
> > | as current technology allows. The travel 2 miles around a road course
> and
> > | their lap times are somehow within a few tenths every lap. Amazing. If
> you
> > | make even a slight mistake, you are very likely to cause an accident.
If
> a
> > | simulator is realistic, then the same thing should happen. Fact is,
you
> > have
> > | to be goooood.
> > | Practice kiddies. You know, like how you do 8 million laps at Monza,
and
> > | then marvel at breaking the 1:28 barrier?
> > | David G Fisher

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by **David G Fishe** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:14:10

You truly want me to "take up the challenge"? Desperately looking for
another way to gather the girls together to pick on poor wittle me?
Challenging my "sim racing manhood" hoping I'll set myself up for more
criticism from the club? So clever. I realize now that saying that all other
sims besides GPL don't "suck" is evil. I realize now that criticizing NASCAR
and it's fans over their attitudes towards the death of drivers was
completely out of line. But now this? My skiiiiiiiils?

I thought that r.a.s. frowned upon those who seriously questioned the skills
of another. I've seen others question a posters skills, and quickly be
criticized for doing so. There's the old double standard again.

Ok, Jan. Let's see. I've been a core beta tester for CPR, MTM2, RC2000, and
4x4 Evo. John O'Keefe from VROC and TRi had me be one of a small group to
beta VROC (yes, VROC for
GPL---can you believe it?) before the public beta, and it's release. I
wonder why? ISI asked me to be part of a focus group (since EA controls the
beta testing in-house). I've got another racing game beta testing
opportunity coming up soon. You see Janni, no one (developers or other
members of other forums) have ever had a problem (quite the contrary) with
any of my opinions because people outside of r.a.s. (GPL fan club
headquarters) haven't made GPL their girlfriend, and aren't hyper-sensitive
when someone talks about her. That's why I keep getting beta invitations.

As far as "rankings", I don't race the N2/3/4 series because as you surely
know, I think NASCAR is a joke, easy, and boring. GPL became boring after
about 6 months,
which is normal for non-Papy cheerleaders, so I don't have the cute little
rank some of you have. I did however start racing online
long before most here at r.a.s. (the majority of r.a.s. was very slow to
turn on to online racing) with POD four years ago and competed in a $10,000
tourney where I placed about 15th out of the 50 who were fast enough to
qualify. My ghost laps were among the best. I
raced CPR online and held the number one spot (and stayed in the top 5 as
long as I wanted) on Case's CPR ladder, while racing against many talented
drivers (including eventual GPL'ers) like George Sandman. I placed 5th or
6th in the MS
MTM2 tourney (out of about 100) in which the top prize was a new truck. Yes,
POD and MTM2 are
arcade type racers, but the people who compete at the top level are as fast
and good as you'll find ANYWHERE. I'm not much for hotlapping (gets boring
very quickly) except to work
on setups (which I made available and which helped many), but I've never had
any trouble in challenging the top times for whatever sim I was
into at the time (RC2000, F12000/CS, GP3, F1RC, etc.). Being smooth and
driving realistically is my style. And guess what? I
don't spend hours and hours and hours and hours over the course of 1, 2, or
even 3 years practicing with the same sim in order to be competitive. If I
did, I'd be embarrassed to announce any improvements I'd made. I don't have
anywhere near the availbale time to do so even if I wanted to. I know how
much time it takes me to get up to speed, and if it starts taking longer,
than I know I'm slipping. If I raced the Papyrus NASCAR series and over the
years had done a million laps at the same tracks, I wouldn't be quick to
brag either. A talented
sim racer can get up to speed against the top times quickly, regardless of
what
racing game you are using. I know who is fast at places like the BHM hotlap
competitions (Jure, Bell, Duhan, Morgan,Tsimenoglou), and I can keep up with
their times with a half dozen hours worth of practice at a particular track.
Any more than that, and I get bored, and don't feel like I've truly
accomplished anything.

I've even had segments of some of my sim reviews and beta reports be
published at web sites like HG.

What are the big "achievements" that you or anyone else who responds to this
topic have? Please, no GPL nonsense. 3 years of practice? Come on. What
couldn't a person do perfectly after that much practice? Claiming
improvement or achievement after 1,856,742 laps is bizarre at best.
To tell you the truth, your average GPL'er is probably less talented than
most other racers, for one simple reason. They are definitely older than
most who are into racing games, and therefor lack the attitude or the
eye/hand coordination and quickness of other racers. Maybe that's why the
slower cars appeal to them?

One last thing, I have NEVER criticized another racer in ANY way in any
online situation because I don't really care how good someone is as long as
they try to race clean.

Just to be clear everyone, I was triple dog-dared by the third graders to
post the above.

by **David G Fishe** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:15:01

Let me guess Don, you are quick in N4?

David G Fisher

> LOL,
> There are talkers, and then there are do-ers.
> I doubt it would be hard to tell what applies here.

> Don Burnette

> > I'm not a good racer............I'm the world's greatest sim racer. I
even
> > wear racing booties, gloves and a helmet when I plunk down in front of
the
> > monitor. I'm a fair and courteous racer, but I also show no mercy. I
> started
> > racing online four years ago, and have crushed my opponents ever since.

> > David G Fisher

> > > DGF has alot of answers & insight but George Carlin & myself want to
> > > know who DGF is... Is he a good racer? Is he fair a racer? Is he a bad
> > > racer? Does he race online? Does he have stats in any race genre?? Or
> > > is he just an enigma that voices subjective opinions?
> > > No BS DGF what about you & your racing abilities? You seem to be
> > > so vocal' but let us know who you really are & what racing you really
> > > do DGF...I would really like to know so how bout it? Tia... Thom_j.

> > > | Earlier tonight I did a 50% race at Montreal, and 14 of the AI cars
> > > finished
> > > | the race. No first turn pile up. AI was excellent.
> > > | I read that altering the physics can cause the AI to have problems,
> but
> > > then
> > > | I have never done that so I wouldn't know from experience.
> > > | You're right, a missed shift or braking 30 meters early can cause an
> > > | accident. F1 is all about precision. The cars accelerate and brake
as
> > fast
> > > | as current technology allows. The travel 2 miles around a road
course
> > and
> > > | their lap times are somehow within a few tenths every lap. Amazing.
If
> > you
> > > | make even a slight mistake, you are very likely to cause an
accident.
> If
> > a
> > > | simulator is realistic, then the same thing should happen. Fact is,
> you
> > > have
> > > | to be goooood.
> > > | Practice kiddies. You know, like how you do 8 million laps at Monza,
> and
> > > | then marvel at breaking the 1:28 barrier?
> > > | David G Fisher

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by **Don Burnett** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:24:36

No, actually I am slow in N4 for whatever reason, haven't got it quite
pinned down yet. I was reasonably quick in N3/N2/N1.

Don Burnette

> Let me guess Don, you are quick in N4?

> David G Fisher

> > LOL,
> > There are talkers, and then there are do-ers.
> > I doubt it would be hard to tell what applies here.

> > Don Burnette

> > > I'm not a good racer............I'm the world's greatest sim racer. I
> even
> > > wear racing booties, gloves and a helmet when I plunk down in front of
> the
> > > monitor. I'm a fair and courteous racer, but I also show no mercy. I
> > started
> > > racing online four years ago, and have crushed my opponents ever
since.

> > > David G Fisher

> > > > DGF has alot of answers & insight but George Carlin & myself want to
> > > > know who DGF is... Is he a good racer? Is he fair a racer? Is he a
bad
> > > > racer? Does he race online? Does he have stats in any race genre??
Or
> > > > is he just an enigma that voices subjective opinions?
> > > > No BS DGF what about you & your racing abilities? You seem to be
> > > > so vocal' but let us know who you really are & what racing you
really
> > > > do DGF...I would really like to know so how bout it? Tia... Thom_j.

> > > > | Earlier tonight I did a 50% race at Montreal, and 14 of the AI
cars
> > > > finished
> > > > | the race. No first turn pile up. AI was excellent.
> > > > | I read that altering the physics can cause the AI to have
problems,
> > but
> > > > then
> > > > | I have never done that so I wouldn't know from experience.
> > > > | You're right, a missed shift or braking 30 meters early can cause
an
> > > > | accident. F1 is all about precision. The cars accelerate and brake
> as
> > > fast
> > > > | as current technology allows. The travel 2 miles around a road
> course
> > > and
> > > > | their lap times are somehow within a few tenths every lap.
Amazing.
> If
> > > you
> > > > | make even a slight mistake, you are very likely to cause an
> accident.
> > If
> > > a
> > > > | simulator is realistic, then the same thing should happen. Fact
is,
> > you
> > > > have
> > > > | to be goooood.
> > > > | Practice kiddies. You know, like how you do 8 million laps at
Monza,
> > and
> > > > | then marvel at breaking the 1:28 barrier?
> > > > | David G Fisher

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by **David G Fishe** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:27:46

I guess you're not a do-er than either.

David G Fisher

> No, actually I am slow in N4 for whatever reason, haven't got it quite
> pinned down yet. I was reasonably quick in N3/N2/N1.

> Don Burnette

> > Let me guess Don, you are quick in N4?

> > David G Fisher

> > > LOL,
> > > There are talkers, and then there are do-ers.
> > > I doubt it would be hard to tell what applies here.

> > > Don Burnette

> > > > I'm not a good racer............I'm the world's greatest sim racer.
I
> > even
> > > > wear racing booties, gloves and a helmet when I plunk down in front
of
> > the
> > > > monitor. I'm a fair and courteous racer, but I also show no mercy. I
> > > started
> > > > racing online four years ago, and have crushed my opponents ever
> since.

> > > > David G Fisher

> > > > > DGF has alot of answers & insight but George Carlin & myself want
to
> > > > > know who DGF is... Is he a good racer? Is he fair a racer? Is he a
> bad
> > > > > racer? Does he race online? Does he have stats in any race genre??
> Or
> > > > > is he just an enigma that voices subjective opinions?
> > > > > No BS DGF what about you & your racing abilities? You seem to be
> > > > > so vocal' but let us know who you really are & what racing you
> really
> > > > > do DGF...I would really like to know so how bout it? Tia...
Thom_j.

> > > > > | Earlier tonight I did a 50% race at Montreal, and 14 of the AI
> cars
> > > > > finished
> > > > > | the race. No first turn pile up. AI was excellent.
> > > > > | I read that altering the physics can cause the AI to have
> problems,
> > > but
> > > > > then
> > > > > | I have never done that so I wouldn't know from experience.
> > > > > | You're right, a missed shift or braking 30 meters early can
cause
> an
> > > > > | accident. F1 is all about precision. The cars accelerate and
brake
> > as
> > > > fast
> > > > > | as current technology allows. The travel 2 miles around a road
> > course
> > > > and
> > > > > | their lap times are somehow within a few tenths every lap.
> Amazing.
> > If
> > > > you
> > > > > | make even a slight mistake, you are very likely to cause an
> > accident.
> > > If
> > > > a
> > > > > | simulator is realistic, then the same thing should happen. Fact
> is,
> > > you
> > > > > have
> > > > > | to be goooood.
> > > > > | Practice kiddies. You know, like how you do 8 million laps at
> Monza,
> > > and
> > > > > | then marvel at breaking the 1:28 barrier?
> > > > > | David G Fisher

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