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RASCAR: Sears Point

John Simmon

RASCAR: Sears Point

by John Simmon » Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:22:19

I highly recommend that everyone put some practice time in - the setup
for this track is not what I would call rookie friendly.  My best time
with it is 21.583, and that's only after abusing the tires.

If we get enough people, you don't want to be stuck on gilligan's island
due to a poor qualifying attempt, so practice, practice, practice.

It's gonna be a long race (45 laps), so patience will be the watchword
for this race.

Are cautions going to be turned off?

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Brian Oste

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Brian Oste » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:48:38

21.583???  I really hope you mean 1:21.583  (or is the "1" implied??)
If not I will probably just sit this one out.

Brian Oster


>I highly recommend that everyone put some practice time in - the setup
>for this track is not what I would call rookie friendly.  My best time
>with it is 21.583, and that's only after abusing the tires.

>If we get enough people, you don't want to be stuck on gilligan's island
>due to a poor qualifying attempt, so practice, practice, practice.

>It's gonna be a long race (45 laps), so patience will be the watchword
>for this race.

>Are cautions going to be turned off?

Jan Verschuere

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:52:06

I'm sure the minute is implied... having said that, I wonder which shortcut
he used provided he's on the stock <fast> setup. <g>

Jan.
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Tom Pabs

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Tom Pabs » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:47:53

John....

It will take not only "patience" to run 45 laps at Sears in N2K2...it will
take a great deal of prudence as well (unless damage is turned off).

You are looking at about 10 minutes behind the pace car for every yellow
flag (3 lap minimum).  So...with a rookie field you'll probably have no
choice but to turn off the yellow flags.  This will force everyone into
green-flag pit stops.......but at least you will complete the race distance.

The "fast" setup for Sears N2K2 is not a bad setup.....but it can not be
abused.  Your lap time (21:5ish) is a very good time with that setup (though
a group of online drivers I've seen run 17's pretty easily on their own
setups)....but I suspect you abused your tires to achieve it.  The "tire
window" at Sears is about 30 to 35 laps (although I've not completely
confirmed this in N2K2....which somebody should do).  If you abuse your
tires early in the run.....you'll be lucky to turn 35's for laps 25 through
35....if you don't blow a tire anyway.

Have fun you guys.....

Tom


Jan Verschuere

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:35:41

I recently did a 50% race and can confirm 30 to 35 laps is correct. Though
you won't see the better side of 1m24s those last couple of laps, IMO. I ran
laps between 1m22.5s and 1m23.5s mostly, which doesn't seem to burn up the
*** too much.

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Eldre

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Eldre » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:34:26



>I recently did a 50% race and can confirm 30 to 35 laps is correct. Though
>you won't see the better side of 1m24s those last couple of laps, IMO. I ran
>laps between 1m22.5s and 1m23.5s mostly, which doesn't seem to burn up the
>*** too much.

I'll be happy if I can just keep from getting lapped 10 times...

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Tom Pabs

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Tom Pabs » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:04:13

Jan.....

Those "numbers" sound spot on.  I think if you ran those kind of lap times
(with out any off-tracks) for the tire run you'd be right up in the
front....IMHO.

Back in April, I was talking with Ron Fellows during the two days several of
the cup teams were testing at Sears.  Ron has a lot of track time at Sears
and is probably one of the better GT style car, road racers around these
days.  He told me he thought he could run 3 to 4 seconds faster at
Sears......than they were running practice laps at.....IF.....he only had to
do it for two laps or so!  He said, "Sears is a track you can always go
faster......but the price you pay for the slightest mistake is always too
large = your day is over!"  That seems like good advice for all you r.a.s.
guys planning to run the RASCAR race on Saturday.....you know?  I know that
when ever I've had an online league race at Sears.....it has paid off to
spend at least 50% of my practice time running the car "out of the racing
line" at Sears......learning just how fast and in what gear I can run
certain parts of the track out of the line.  During a race at Sears.....you
will spend more than 50% of the laps.....out of the racing line....due to
traffic.  So...that "practice" always paid off big dividends.....you know?
Being the tortoise at this track....will definitely pay off.

Regards,

Tom


Joachim Trens

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:49:27

Hi Tom,


Hey, it's really nice that you've decided to race with us this time <bg,d&r>

Some even do 1:17's on the default <fast> :-)

Interesting info. But since the race will be ~45 laps, would it be a
tactically good decision to drive more than 22 - 23 laps on one set of
tires, unless the specific situation in the race required it for a brief
period (why race longer than necessary on worn tires)?

Achim

Larr

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Larr » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:48:35

21.583 ??? Dude, you're flyin!!!

Though I suspect you really mean 1:21.583 :)

I practiced for an hour last night.  I started off at 1:30's.  When I was
done, I was running 1:36's.

Go figure...

-Larry


Larr

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Larr » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:50:26

IMHO, the fast setup is lacking in forward bite something terrible, but
since I have no idea what I'm doing at this track I'll leave it up to
inexperience :)

Are we allowed to use Traction Control ?

-Larry


> John....

> It will take not only "patience" to run 45 laps at Sears in N2K2...it will
> take a great deal of prudence as well (unless damage is turned off).

> You are looking at about 10 minutes behind the pace car for every yellow
> flag (3 lap minimum).  So...with a rookie field you'll probably have no
> choice but to turn off the yellow flags.  This will force everyone into
> green-flag pit stops.......but at least you will complete the race
distance.

> The "fast" setup for Sears N2K2 is not a bad setup.....but it can not be
> abused.  Your lap time (21:5ish) is a very good time with that setup
(though
> a group of online drivers I've seen run 17's pretty easily on their own
> setups)....but I suspect you abused your tires to achieve it.  The "tire
> window" at Sears is about 30 to 35 laps (although I've not completely
> confirmed this in N2K2....which somebody should do).  If you abuse your
> tires early in the run.....you'll be lucky to turn 35's for laps 25
through
> 35....if you don't blow a tire anyway.

> Have fun you guys.....

> Tom



> > I highly recommend that everyone put some practice time in - the setup
> > for this track is not what I would call rookie friendly.  My best time
> > with it is 21.583, and that's only after abusing the tires.

> > If we get enough people, you don't want to be stuck on gilligan's island
> > due to a poor qualifying attempt, so practice, practice, practice.

> > It's gonna be a long race (45 laps), so patience will be the watchword
> > for this race.

> > Are cautions going to be turned off?

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Larr

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Larr » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:51:19

I'll be happy to MAKE 10 laps before I look like Road Pizza.

-Larry



Verschueren"

> >I recently did a 50% race and can confirm 30 to 35 laps is correct.
Though
> >you won't see the better side of 1m24s those last couple of laps, IMO. I
ran
> >laps between 1m22.5s and 1m23.5s mostly, which doesn't seem to burn up
the
> >*** too much.

> I'll be happy if I can just keep from getting lapped 10 times...

> Eldred
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Brian Oste

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Brian Oste » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 06:27:46


>21.583 ??? Dude, you're flyin!!!

>Though I suspect you really mean 1:21.583 :)

>I practiced for an hour last night.  I started off at 1:30's.  When I was
>done, I was running 1:36's.

>Go figure...

>-Larry

Well I practiced it last night and this is what my lap times looked
like...

1:50
1:30
1:26
2:00
3:00
1 hour 3:50

The last lap was after I gave up trying to get round this course under
1:30 consistently and started trying to jump the gap between the
bridge in T1 and the tire barrier at the end of the front stretch
run-off area.  If you turn around at the top of the first hill run
back down the hill and hit the hill left of the first bridge you can
catch quite a bit of air and make it over the tire barrier.  The goal
is to jump the gap and not get stuck behind the walls and tire
barriers and be able to drive away down the front stretch.  I have
been looking for a dukes of hazard car to complete the effect.

BTW, unlike N4 if you get stuck in the sand, you might was well call
the tow truck.

Brian Oster

Carl Ribbegaard

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Carl Ribbegaard » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 06:38:56

ROFLMAO...
Larr

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Larr » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:22:01

Hehe :)

N2 Madness 2!

-Larry



> >21.583 ??? Dude, you're flyin!!!

> >Though I suspect you really mean 1:21.583 :)

> >I practiced for an hour last night.  I started off at 1:30's.  When I was
> >done, I was running 1:36's.

> >Go figure...

> >-Larry

> Well I practiced it last night and this is what my lap times looked
> like...

> 1:50
> 1:30
> 1:26
> 2:00
> 3:00
> 1 hour 3:50

> The last lap was after I gave up trying to get round this course under
> 1:30 consistently and started trying to jump the gap between the
> bridge in T1 and the tire barrier at the end of the front stretch
> run-off area.  If you turn around at the top of the first hill run
> back down the hill and hit the hill left of the first bridge you can
> catch quite a bit of air and make it over the tire barrier.  The goal
> is to jump the gap and not get stuck behind the walls and tire
> barriers and be able to drive away down the front stretch.  I have
> been looking for a dukes of hazard car to complete the effect.

> BTW, unlike N4 if you get stuck in the sand, you might was well call
> the tow truck.

> Brian Oster

Gerald Moo

RASCAR: Sears Point

by Gerald Moo » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:49:23


> The last lap was after I gave up trying to get round this course under
> 1:30 consistently and started trying to jump the gap between the
> bridge in T1 and the tire barrier at the end of the front stretch
> run-off area.  If you turn around at the top of the first hill run
> back down the hill and hit the hill left of the first bridge you can
> catch quite a bit of air and make it over the tire barrier.  The goal
> is to jump the gap and not get stuck behind the walls and tire
> barriers and be able to drive away down the front stretch.  I have
> been looking for a dukes of hazard car to complete the effect.

LOL!  I had a Dukes of Hazard car that I used in NASCAR Legends.

Gerald


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