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by **David Gar** » Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> A recent issue of OnTrack had an article on the final race of the F1
> season. When asked about the early incident when Berger nearly hit
> him entering a chicane, Damon said that it was the first time he'd
> heard an engine other than his own since the days when he raced
> motorcycles.

> Just a data point as to whether an F1 driver can hear the other
> engines...

> Dave Wilson

Well OK Dave, Have you ever heard of anyone else that cant hear the
other cars in F1?
It seems Hill is an the only F1 driver I know of that cant hear the
other cars, I have
heard other F1 drivers say they can hear the other cars! I will try to
find a quote to prove my point.
So is Bergers car the only one Hill can hear? He evidently stated he
heard it when it went in front of him
and now your noting another 'separate statement from a chicane incident.
Is the Englishman starting to get his hearing back? -DG

by **Dave Wilso** » Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:00:00

>>...
> Haha, you must be racing on rookie!(BIG grin)
> No, really That statement was to dispute the fact that in real F1 cars
> you can hear the other cars!
> Another coal in the fire for GP2. Not being able to hear the other cars
> IS quite unrealistic and still
> convinces me of one other aspect of GP2 not being finished.
>...

A recent issue of OnTrack had an article on the final race of the F1
season. When asked about the early incident when Berger nearly hit
him entering a chicane, Damon said that it was the first time he'd
heard an engine other than his own since the days when he raced
motorcycles.

Just a data point as to whether an F1 driver can hear the other
engines...

Dave Wilson

by **David Gar** » Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> Not entirly.. you can hear them when they cross the start/finish line
> and your in the pits.. thats quite realistic.. but if you could hear
> others while driving, that means you would hear yourself and be deaf
> :)

> any news on the update anyone?

> ________________________________________________________
> Paul Ryder http://www.u-net.com/~pry

Yes, you can hear the other cars drive by while YOUR in the pits. That
is, until you speed out there to see who it was only to see NOONE!
Pretty realistic huh? Just another coal in the fire. -DG

by **David Gar** » Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> >>>...
> >> Haha, you must be racing on rookie!(BIG grin)
> >> No, really That statement was to dispute the fact that in real F1 cars
> >> you can hear the other cars!
> >> Another coal in the fire for GP2. Not being able to hear the other cars
> >> IS quite unrealistic and still
> >> convinces me of one other aspect of GP2 not being finished.
> >>...

> >A recent issue of OnTrack had an article on the final race of the F1
> >season. When asked about the early incident when Berger nearly hit
> >him entering a chicane, Damon said that it was the first time he'd
> >heard an engine other than his own since the days when he raced
> >motorcycles.

> >Just a data point as to whether an F1 driver can hear the other
> >engines...

> >Dave Wilson

> I read a Nigel Mansell's interview three or four years ago. Nigel
> talked about the difficulty to drive a F1 car under rain. He said that
> when the track is really wet, when you're following another car and
> are near to him, it's impossible to see anything due to the water
> projected by other car's wheels. So, he said that the only way to
> drive was to LISTEN TO THE OTHER CAR'S ENGINE, and change gear when
> the other driver changes gear, and slow down when he slows down, and
> speed up when he speeds up. It is obvious that at this moment, Nigel
> and other pilots were hearing other cars' engines. It is not so far
> away from now, and overall not so far from the season 1994 that
> Microprose gave us in 1996 GP2 ;-)
> Hope this'll help.

> Emmanuel Manzini
> .......aka 'Hey I drove a clean lap !' (probably the worst driver in
> the world)

> Please Mr Crammond, give us a GP2 patch for Xmas (1996...)

Hmmmmm, sounds like they can HEAR the other cars PRETTY DAMN WELL if
they can FOLLOW and distincly HEAR
the other drivers CHANGING GEARS! Any comments John W.? -DG

by **David Gar** » Sun, 17 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> > In most instances they (the drivers) can't hear the other cars. With earplugs(for hearing),sealed
> > > with sound-resistant plugging, held in by surgical tape, covered with a balaclava, over the top of
> > > which fits a coccoon of foam padding forming the thick lining of a helmet and with the noise of
> > > their own engine screaming behind them, to hear another car is quite unusual.
> > > --

Damn Bruce, what do you wear when driving to the supermarket? Diest
saftey equipment?! Nice!
Bottom line is no matter how much you "MUFFLE" a description of the
equipment F1 drivers wear to protect their
head, they have, and up until this point, CAN hear other cars,
especially beside them!
So how about this: F1 drivers CAN hear the other cars with "hollow" thin
plastic earplugs/w light weight(.20 watt) foam paper speakers wich
amplify ANY sound, held by fabricated tape that is attached at the
neckline
(NOT OVER the ear) and then cover by a lightweight "poris" foam covered
by a lexan "vented" shell and with
the "vibrated, muffle" of their engine BEHIND them to NOT hear another
car is quite unusual. -DG

by **Bruce Kennewe** » Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:00:00

In most instances they (the drivers) can't hear the other cars. With earplugs(for hearing),sealed
with sound-resistant plugging, held in by surgical tape, covered with a balaclava, over the top of
which fits a coccoon of foam padding forming the thick lining of a helmet and with the noise of
their own engine screaming behind them, to hear another car is quite unusual.
--

by **Steven Williamso** » Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> > A recent issue of OnTrack had an article on the final race of the F1
> > season. When asked about the early incident when Berger nearly hit
> > him entering a chicane, Damon said that it was the first time he'd
> > heard an engine other than his own since the days when he raced
> > motorcycles.

> > Just a data point as to whether an F1 driver can hear the other
> > engines...

> In most instances they (the drivers) can't hear the other cars. With earplugs(for hearing),sealed
> with sound-resistant plugging, held in by surgical tape, covered with a balaclava, over the top of
> which fits a coccoon of foam padding forming the thick lining of a helmet and with the noise of
> their own engine screaming behind them, to hear another car is quite unusual.
> --

Bravo!!!

I would conclude it does happen, but it is "UNUSUAL"!!!
--

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by **David Gar** » Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:00:00

>> >> It is obvious that at this moment, Nigel
> >> and other pilots were hearing other cars' engines. It is not so far
> >> away from now, and overall not so far from the season 1994 that
> >> Microprose gave us in 1996 GP2 ;-)
> >> Hope this'll help.

> >Hmmmmm, sounds like they can HEAR the other cars PRETTY DAMN WELL if
> >they can FOLLOW and distincly HEAR
> >the other drivers CHANGING GEARS! Any comments John W.? -DG

"The all-knowing God of rev limiters, Jo Helsen wrote(grin):

Joe, do you seriously think by lowering the revs the cars get louder and
are clearer to hear? Or I know,
maybe the rain has an effect on the acoustics of a formula 1 engine!!
-The intreped DG

"There were two paths and yes I took the one most traveled on, why?
Because it had an escalator and I
love rides!" -DG 1996

by **David Gar** » Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> David,

> If you find it your personal responsibility to divide GP2 into molecule-sized
> particles, then complain to MICROPROSE, and waste MICROPROSE bandwidth instead
> of ours.

> A deal?

> Jo

I dont consider no-sound or unacceptable modem link, or insufficient
game engine "molecule"
size. Evidently you do and now I understand why you reply to my posts. I
can tell you are the kind
of person who accepts anything the market will throw at you. I on the
other hand have a different philosophy,
I give the best in my work and therefore demand the best. I hope that
instead of "sticking" up for something
that is far from complete you will protest that it only get better. If
everyone settled for half-ass the
next decade would move just as slow as the "drugged" out 70's and
technology would crawl!
Your reply takes up just as much bandwith as my post. I dont think
theres a small supply of bandwith here so
I'll take that remark with a grain of salt, almost as much as the rest
of your ridiculous reply.
Look at it this way, Would you pay top dollar for a Porshe and then find
out that it had no AC, the windows
didnt roll down and the heater was stuck on high and you lived in
Florida! No the car would not be complete, just as they priced GP2 at
around 55 bucks and it is FAR from complete. -DG

by **Hen** » Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:00:00

> > > A recent issue of OnTrack had an article on the final race of the F1
> > > season. When asked about the early incident when Berger nearly hit
> > > him entering a chicane, Damon said that it was the first time he'd
> > > heard an engine other than his own since the days when he raced
> > > motorcycles.

> > > Just a data point as to whether an F1 driver can hear the other
> > > engines...

> > In most instances they (the drivers) can't hear the other cars. With earplugs(for hearing),sealed
> > with sound-resistant plugging, held in by surgical tape, covered with a balaclava, over the top of
> > which fits a coccoon of foam padding forming the thick lining of a helmet and with the noise of
> > their own engine screaming behind them, to hear another car is quite unusual.
> > --

> Bravo!!!

> I would conclude it does happen, but it is "UNUSUAL"!!!

So, in the name of realism, it should be possible to hear other
cars in GP2 but it'd be 'unusual' ...

IMO Sir Geoff never even thought about it. GP1 didn't feature
sounds of other cars, so it was only natural that GP2 doesn't
either ...

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by **Paul Ryd** » Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:00:00

On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:53:50 GMT, "Henrikki (Hena) H?kk?nen"
appen, but it is "UNUSUAL"!!!

Not entirly.. you can hear them when they cross the start/finish line
and your in the pits.. thats quite realistic.. but if you could hear
others while driving, that means you would hear yourself and be deaf
:)

any news on the update anyone?

________________________________________________________
Paul Ryder http://www.u-net.com/~pry

by **Emmanuel Manzi** » Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:00:00

>>>...
>> Haha, you must be racing on rookie!(BIG grin)
>> No, really That statement was to dispute the fact that in real F1 cars
>> you can hear the other cars!
>> Another coal in the fire for GP2. Not being able to hear the other cars
>> IS quite unrealistic and still
>> convinces me of one other aspect of GP2 not being finished.
>>...
>A recent issue of OnTrack had an article on the final race of the F1
>season. When asked about the early incident when Berger nearly hit
>him entering a chicane, Damon said that it was the first time he'd
>heard an engine other than his own since the days when he raced
>motorcycles.
>Just a data point as to whether an F1 driver can hear the other
>engines...
>Dave Wilson

I read a Nigel Mansell's interview three or four years ago. Nigel
talked about the difficulty to drive a F1 car under rain. He said that
when the track is really wet, when you're following another car and
are near to him, it's impossible to see anything due to the water
projected by other car's wheels. So, he said that the only way to
drive was to LISTEN TO THE OTHER CAR'S ENGINE, and change gear when
the other driver changes gear, and slow down when he slows down, and
speed up when he speeds up. It is obvious that at this moment, Nigel
and other pilots were hearing other cars' engines. It is not so far
away from now, and overall not so far from the season 1994 that
Microprose gave us in 1996 GP2 ;-)
Hope this'll help.

Emmanuel Manzini
.......aka 'Hey I drove a clean lap !' (probably the worst driver in
the world)

Please Mr Crammond, give us a GP2 patch for Xmas (1996...)

by **Nicholas Stok** » Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:00:00

On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:52:51 -0500, David Gary

>> >A recent issue of OnTrack had an article on the final race of the F1
>> >season. When asked about the early incident when Berger nearly hit
>> >him entering a chicane, Damon said that it was the first time he'd
>> >heard an engine other than his own since the days when he raced
>> >motorcycles.

Damon *actually* said it was the first time he'd heard an engine *like
that* since when he raced motorbikes.
I think he was referring to note of the engine when Berger tried to
come up alongside him - ie high hevs, followed by quick braking. F1
cars don't often come that close at corners, unlike bikes!

==
n

by **Jo Hels** » Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:00:00

>> I read a Nigel Mansell's interview three or four years ago. Nigel
>> talked about the difficulty to drive a F1 car under rain. He said that
>> when the track is really wet, when you're following another car and
>> are near to him, it's impossible to see anything due to the water
>> projected by other car's wheels. So, he said that the only way to
>> drive was to LISTEN TO THE OTHER CAR'S ENGINE, and change gear when
>> the other driver changes gear, and slow down when he slows down, and
>> speed up when he speeds up. It is obvious that at this moment, Nigel
>> and other pilots were hearing other cars' engines. It is not so far
>> away from now, and overall not so far from the season 1994 that
>> Microprose gave us in 1996 GP2 ;-)
>> Hope this'll help.

>> Emmanuel Manzini
>> .......aka 'Hey I drove a clean lap !' (probably the worst driver in
>> the world)

>> Please Mr Crammond, give us a GP2 patch for Xmas (1996...)
>Hmmmmm, sounds like they can HEAR the other cars PRETTY DAMN WELL if
>they can FOLLOW and distincly HEAR
>the other drivers CHANGING GEARS! Any comments John W.? -DG

Obviously, revs are not nearly as high during a wet race. Might be part of an
explanation???

Jo

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by **Jo Hels** » Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:00:00

>> Not entirly.. you can hear them when they cross the start/finish line
>> and your in the pits.. thats quite realistic.. but if you could hear
>> others while driving, that means you would hear yourself and be deaf
>> :)

>> any news on the update anyone?

>> ________________________________________________________
>> Paul Ryder http://www.u-net.com/~pry

>Yes, you can hear the other cars drive by while YOUR in the pits. That
>is, until you speed out there to see who it was only to see NOONE!
>Pretty realistic huh? Just another coal in the fire. -DG

David,

If you find it your personal responsibility to divide GP2 into molecule-sized
particles, then complain to MICROPROSE, and waste MICROPROSE bandwidth instead
of ours.

A deal?

Jo

PS: Does anyone have a spare killfile left?

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