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GP Legends - with BRM

Haqsa

GP Legends - with BRM

by Haqsa » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:28:09

I find at most tracks I like the somewhat slower response of the Eagle, I
get in less trouble that way.  But at Monza it is enough faster on the
straights to make up for its difficulties in the slower corners.  Actually
the only corners in which it feels uncomfortable to me is in the Lesmos.  It
powers out of the Parabolica quite nicely.

Seems like most people would agree with you about the Brabham, but for some
reason that just hasn't been my experience.  I do think the default setups
for the Brabham are part of the problem.  The spring rates are too high for
such a light car, especially the rear springs. And with such a short
wheelbase it really needs to have the steering ratio about half a notch
higher than the others.  I find it to be quite comfortable once I fix the
setup.

The Honda, when properly set up, seems to be capable of the same speeds on
the straights as the Ferrari and Brabham.  But here again the defaults suck.
The whole front end is just wrong in the defaults, and the gearing is also
off in some of them.  The Honda's front end needs to be about the same as
any other car in the game, it's the fat ass that needs special attention in
the setup. The rear needs heavier springs, and heavier rebound damping, and
because of the extra weight on the rear axle it wants more diff lock than
the other cars (except its fat sister, the BRM). Honestly the car is quite
comfortable and fast when set up right.


Eldre

GP Legends - with BRM

by Eldre » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:12:59

Remember, you're talking to someone with NO(none, nada, nunca) setup skill...
:-)

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Malc

GP Legends - with BRM

by Malc » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:34:04


Maybe it's time to try. Just balance your tyre temps first (with the
camber), then see how the car feels. If it's too twitchy, try lowering the
springs, or shocks, or something else.
Try it, one step at a time, and see what feels better and what feels worse.
Keep the better stuff and change something else. It does require a small
amount of knowledge about what to expect from a change, but mostly it's just
experience.

If you drive round the track and find that you regularly need to change up a
gear just before braking for the next corner, try raising that gear a notch,
and try another lap or two. Keep doing that & you'll have the car set up to
suit your driving style, and it'll be easier to keep it on the road.

As long as you save the setup with a different name to the ones you normally
use, you can't lose your original setup.

I also think it's time to accept that you're actually pretty quick ;-)

Malc.

Eldre

GP Legends - with BRM

by Eldre » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:24:40

That's just it.  Every change makes the car WORSE.  I have yet to make a change
in GPL and actually have it work better than the original.  

I'm still back of the grid on all except one league.  Actually, I'm slow there
too, but I make up spots as people crash.  I may be slow, but I can usually
stay on the track for a whole race...<g>

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Malc

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by Malc » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:48:43


And yet you find some downloaded setups to be better for you than others.
Why do you think that is?

Then you need to find people closer to your abilities to race. You're not
slow, far from it. You just seem to want to compete with driver much faster
than you.

Malc.

Ruud Dingeman

GP Legends - with BRM

by Ruud Dingeman » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:41:59


>>break 1:30 no matter WHAT or WHICH car we tried, so it could even be
>>worse  ;)
> I assume you mean at Monza.  I've only done it with the Lotus and Ferrari.
> Maybe I should try again with the other cars?  I *think* I've improved a bit

Give the Eagle a try, I'd say. I'm definitely no hotlapper with my
mid-1:29 but after slapping a Huttu setup (which was stable on the Lotus
as well) onto the Eagle I was able to turn 1:29s more regularly and
without the *really really* trying-mindset, and it is pretty stable, so
there may be something in there. 'Specially since the Bird is a tad
faster on the straights and a smidgen more forgiving than the Lotus.

Regards, Ruud

Ruud Dingeman

GP Legends - with BRM

by Ruud Dingeman » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:48:48


>>too, but I make up spots as people crash.  I may be slow, but I can
>>stay on the track for a whole race...<g>
> Then you need to find people closer to your abilities to race. You're not
> slow, far from it. You just seem to want to compete with driver much faster
> than you.

Yep. Eldred isn't all that slow, he is not, he just still thinks he is
(hey, a lot of people in the world haven't gone negative, you know).

Besides, in a race it isn't about how fast you are anyway (basically),
it's about finishing in a good position. You can be faster-than-Huttu
but if you do not cross that line in the end, it matters naught. It's a
different skill set, where tactics and restraint matter more.

Regards, Ruud

Eldre

GP Legends - with BRM

by Eldre » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:52:35

Don't have a clue.

Maybe that's the only thing that has gotten me to go any faster...<g>

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:55:38

That's why I prefer running in longer races.  I normally get the 'highest
climber' award, even though I never pass anyone on the track...<g>

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David Cook

GP Legends - with BRM

by David Cook » Sun, 09 Mar 2003 11:57:49

The BRM can be a failrly good car if you work on the gearing but the stock
setups are no good

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