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Ferdinand Trauttmansdor

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by Ferdinand Trauttmansdor » Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:00:00


>>Corner Two at Mosport is often [and rightfully] listed amongst the
>>top-ten most challenging turns in the world...


They're both good but, having had the distinct pleasure of once racing
at Mosport, I'm convinced it's Corner Two.

I was driving an '88 Honda Civic.  In an underpowered car like the
Civic, Corner Two is approached flat out.  I cannot imagine what it
would be like in an F1 car!!!  If you're a rookie and wimp like me,
you will find it very hard to resist lifting off the throttle when
approaching the brink.  Corner Two drops away steeply to the left into
a valley.  The turn in point is somewhere [but where dammit?] just
before the crest, the apex is just beyond.  The *** is that you
cannot see where the corner goes until it's too late to turn anymore.
You have to commit yourself to a line and hold it because, as the car
sails over the crest, the car gets very light and it refuses to turn
anymore.  Any late attempts at course corrections will [at best] see
you fetch up backwards at the bottom of the hill.  You better hope you
aren't pointing at the green stuff as you crest the hill.  As the car
falls into the valley and gradually bottoms out, the suspension
compresses and loads up tremendously so there's all kinds of grip for
the remainder of the turn.

Each time over this curve I'd try a slightly different line.  And I
never got it right once the whole weekend.  Each time as I approached
the crest I'd be thinking, "too fast, Too Fast, Way TOO FAST, OH GOD
I'M GONNA DIE!"  But as the car was squeezed back down onto its
suspension at the bottom of the hill and the cornering loads again
tried to stretch the tires off the rims, I'd be thinking instead, "WAY
too slow, you wimp!, next time around, don't back off".

I once heard someone describe Mosport's Corner Two as the ultimate
cojone caliper for determining who's got the biggest.

        -Ferdinand-

Alan He

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by Alan He » Fri, 18 Apr 1997 04:00:00

<SNIP>
The track list for the 1967 season is on my website now
(www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm). If you could do some scans I
would really appreciate it!

Alan Head

Screamer 2 homepages:
http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/games.htm
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Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page
http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm
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Alan He

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by Alan He » Fri, 18 Apr 1997 04:00:00


<snip>

Sounds very similar to Paddock bend at Brands Hatch in England. This
comes at the end of the start/finish straight and I would guess is
approached at about 200mph in a F1 car. Very slight crest (which
causes negative load on the suspension) before plunging into a
downhill 80 degree right-hander that compresses like hell at the
bottom and then spits you out up the hill towards Druids hairpin
(scene of a demon move by Hunt on Lauda in the '76 F1 championship)
Doesn't look that steep on TV but it is extremely difficult to walk up
(or down for that matter). Scene of numerous 1st lap shunts and some
real demon overtaking maneuvers. Can't wait to see Mosport in the
game!

Alan Head

Screamer 2 homepages:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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Ferdinand Trauttmansdor

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by Ferdinand Trauttmansdor » Sat, 19 Apr 1997 04:00:00


>Sounds very similar to Paddock bend at Brands Hatch in England.
>slight crest before plunging into a downhill...
>that compresses like hell at the bottom...
>then ... up the hill...

Yes.  "Real tracks" must have elevation changes!

There is a cool scene in the movie "Grand Prix", one of the artsy soft
focus shots, showing the cars going from full suspension droop to full
compression.  The cars back then certainly had a lot more suspension
travel than nowadays.

        -Ferdinand-

Gregory Fu

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by Gregory Fu » Fri, 02 May 1997 04:00:00


>> For the best racing footage of all time, you have to watch Steve
>> McQueen in LeMans.  Not much of a story line or dialogue but lots of
>> authentic racing action.
>> -Al

>Amen.  Whenever I think of fast cars or racing, I can't help but think
>of McQueen and LeMans and Bullet.  I really miss that guy.

Everything was great about that movie except the engine sound effects.  They
probably used only three or four loops for the entire film!  And sometimes
the syncing was pretty noticibly off.

Gregory Fung

Vancouver, B.C., Canada

Barton Brow

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by Barton Brow » Fri, 02 May 1997 04:00:00

Amen.  Whenever I think of fast cars or racing, I can't help but think

> >of McQueen and LeMans and Bullet.  I really miss that guy.

> Everything was great about that movie except the engine sound effects.  They
> probably used only three or four loops for the entire film!  And sometimes
> the syncing was pretty noticibly off.

> Gregory Fung

> Vancouver, B.C., Canada

I could certainly live with the engine noises (especially the 917 from
inside the cocpit!) if there was only some way to get rid of that
annoying  and inappropriate Michel LeGrand music! I wonder where the
rest of the footage they shot (both trackside and from the modified 908)
ever got to? I would definitely pay real money to see about, oh, 24
hours of that spliced together...

Bart Brown

Number

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by Number » Fri, 02 May 1997 04:00:00



>>> For the best racing footage of all time, you have to watch Steve
>>> McQueen in LeMans.  Not much of a story line or dialogue but lots of
>>> authentic racing action.
>>> -Al

>>Amen.  Whenever I think of fast cars or racing, I can't help but think
>>of McQueen and LeMans and Bullet.  I really miss that guy.
>Everything was great about that movie except the engine sound effects.  They
>probably used only three or four loops for the entire film!  And sometimes
>the syncing was pretty noticibly off.

I haven't seen Le Mans in years, but my recommendation goes out for
"Grand Prix".  Great footage, great sound.  (won Oscars for both).
Make sure you get the old video version, which goes to Letterbox
(widescreen) format for the montage shots.  The new one doesn't, and
it really takes away from the film.

Brandon


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