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John Pancoas

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by John Pancoas » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:30:54

  Don't blame you; N4 stunk, period, IMO.   Already got rid of it on eBay
after N2002 came out :)

-John




> >   Should be, since the yellow code/online code is a joke :)

> > -John

> Yea well, I don't race it online anyway. I don't even race N4 online
anymore
> because the AI is actually better than most human players and there is no
> lag. NH has some weak points, but I seem to enjoy it more than N4, I like
> the feel and look of NH better I guess. Too bad there is no NH2 being
> released though to tweak it up.

Andre Warring

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by Andre Warring » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:52:38

On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:30:54 -0700, "John Pancoast"


>  Don't blame you; N4 stunk, period, IMO.   Already got rid of it on eBay
>after N2002 came out :)

>-John

Why did N4 stink? I never liked N4, allthough I knew it was a great
(if not the best sim) but I never enjoyed it, no matter how much I
gave it a try.
But N2002 is such a blast.. and not only on the 2 roadcourses, I even
find racing on the ovals damn fun..
I just can't point my finger to the changes in N2002 that makes it
actually fun to play..

Andre

John Pancoas

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by John Pancoas » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:28:17

    Because N4 showed it's GPL heritage to much IMO.  It didn't simulate
stock car racing at all.  It simulated GPL with stock car graphics, in terms
of handling, etc.

  Whereas in N2002, the cars "feel", even without ff, like they weigh almost
two tons, as actual Cup cars do; no hovercraft, no driving on ice feel, etc.
In N4, they felt like the GPL cars; lightweight, twitchy, etc.  That's fine
for a 1967 F1 car(though I think it's overdone in GPL F1 mode too), but not
trying to simulate a 2002 stock car, who's power/weight ratio is totally
different.  Irregardless of pc limitations, if driving a 1967 F1 car or an
N4 stock car was that difficult, that knife-edge lap after lap, all the
drivers would be dead, not just some.  Even the pros don't drive perfect
laps/races every single time, but that's what's required in
N4...........perfect laps with an imperfect physics model.

  I like Papy/Sierra stuff as much as anyone.  Have every title they've
made, including Indy 500.  But I bet if N4 had been released by X
corporation, it would have been slammed hard in reviews.

  N2002's the best stock car sim ever made IMO.  Heat was good, because it
simulated the feel of driving a stock car well, but failed badly in
simulating a race, on or offline.  N4 simulated a race well, but simulated
the feel of driving a stock car badly.
  N2002 does both very well.

-John


> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:30:54 -0700, "John Pancoast"

> >  Don't blame you; N4 stunk, period, IMO.   Already got rid of it on eBay
> >after N2002 came out :)

> >-John

> Why did N4 stink? I never liked N4, allthough I knew it was a great
> (if not the best sim) but I never enjoyed it, no matter how much I
> gave it a try.
> But N2002 is such a blast.. and not only on the 2 roadcourses, I even
> find racing on the ovals damn fun..
> I just can't point my finger to the changes in N2002 that makes it
> actually fun to play..

> Andre

lane

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by lane » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:45:42


So you are saying N2002 is really *that* much better?

lane

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by lane » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:51:09


Hmmm, I wasn't going to buy N2002 because I figured it was  just a slightly
improved N4, but if what you say is true then I may just have to buy it. But
at $69.00 CAD and considering I already have N4 and NH  it's a tough
decision for me. Plus I already have Rally Trophy on preorder.

lane

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by lane » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:54:24


There are beta patches that improve this. It's the feeling and look of the
game I like though.

John Pancoas

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by John Pancoas » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:13:17

  Night and day.   N2002 is what N4 should have been from the start.

-John




> >   Don't blame you; N4 stunk, period, IMO.   Already got rid of it on
eBay
> > after N2002 came out :)

> > -John

> So you are saying N2002 is really *that* much better?

John Pancoas

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by John Pancoas » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:14:33

  But keep in mind.....I don't race offline, and I think you said earlier
you do, so others need to answer any AI questions.

-John




> >   Don't blame you; N4 stunk, period, IMO.   Already got rid of it on
eBay
> > after N2002 came out :)

> > -John

> So you are saying N2002 is really *that* much better?

jaf

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by jaf » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:22:08

The AI is light years ahead of N3 and down.  You push the slightest and they
stick there nose in your quarter panel and drive right past you.  This
doesn't seem any different to me than N4.  N3 and down once you got out in
front you could hold the AI off indefinetly, it wasn't agressive enough.
Graphicaly N2002 seems to run smoother on my computer than N4 and sounds
better.  A lot of people have complained about N4 but it is still light
years ahead of N3 and down in terms of playing offline.  In N3 it was almost
impossible to run a full race with out all the crazy yellow flag bugs and AI
crashes that ocurred in the pits.




> >   Don't blame you; N4 stunk, period, IMO.   Already got rid of it on
eBay
> > after N2002 came out :)

> > -John

> So you are saying N2002 is really *that* much better?

lane

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by lane » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:04:36


Yes, but I have N4 already. Am having a hard time convincing myself to get
N2002 since if it's not so dif from N4 I can use the money to buy something
else, like Trophy Rally.


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