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My Kingdom for decent AI

Crispy Critte

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Crispy Critte » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:16:40

Every racing game I own has ***AI. It seems I can't run one complete race
because the AI wipes me out. Just yesterday I was running F1 '99-02' at
Monza and was in fourth place when some numbnuts AI car rear ends me in a
corner. Every racing game I have has this issue. It's time they put less
effort into the graphics and more into the AI.  
Byron Forbe

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Byron Forbe » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:49:29


    Well, my attitude is that it's about time they put more effort into
online racing and competitions! :)

Crispy Critte

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Crispy Critte » Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:01:58


>     Well, my attitude is that it's about time they put more effort into
> online racing and competitions! :)

Last time I played online racing was not a pleasant experience. I crashed
onto the inner field and some moron decided I was trying to cheat by
cutting the corner so proceded to smash up my car with his. What a ***ing
idiot. I had left the track purely because someone had bumped my car from
behind. It's hard to control a Nascar when travelling at near to 200mph and
someone bumps you from behind. Online *** is full of cheaters and people
that thinks it's funny to ruin the experience for others too. I do play
some games online (Red Orchestra currently) but still would rather play
racing games offline with better AI.
Rod

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Rod » Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:23:27




>>     Well, my attitude is that it's about time they put more effort into
>> online racing and competitions! :)

>Last time I played online racing was not a pleasant experience. I crashed
>onto the inner field and some moron decided I was trying to cheat by
>cutting the corner so proceded to smash up my car with his. What a ***ing
>idiot. I had left the track purely because someone had bumped my car from
>behind. It's hard to control a Nascar when travelling at near to 200mph and
>someone bumps you from behind. Online *** is full of cheaters and people
>that thinks it's funny to ruin the experience for others too. I do play
>some games online (Red Orchestra currently) but still would rather play
>racing games offline with better AI.

Mine is about the same with GTL.

Was driving a Cortina around Donnington, turn 6 (?) the guy in front
goes wide, I have a lot more speed through the corner so I go up
him on the inside. He moves back right infront of me and I hit him in
the A pillar and he spins infront of me (if he held his line then he
would have just lost a position).

He spends the next 15 minutes abusing me, how I stole the race
away from him, yada yada yada.

At least the AI keep quiet, even if you do intentionally punt them. :P

Cheers,
Rod.

Ed Medli

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Ed Medli » Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:59:12

The biggest problem with online races in GTL especially is that the vast
majority of races are too short. There is no reason to conserve tires/fuel
in an 8 lap race. I prefer at the minimum a 15 lap or even better 30 or
more. This way you can use pit strategy by conserving tires and possible
taking one fuel only stop. I think the problem is that many of the younger
racers just don't have the patience to run a longer race. Many of them also
don't have a clue about basic racing manners. When someone is much faster
than me (at that point....:-) I just take an outside line and brake early
and let them have the prefered line and go by. Later, as tires wear, I try
and get by and they block or spin me. It makes for a lot of frustration.

Ed

Byron Forbe

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Byron Forbe » Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:52:11


    Well, read all these posts and my point stands. Companies need to supply
racelists (and maybe a few of their own servers) and have rules in place to
suspend people. With replays easy to save there is nowhere for the fools to
hide. Races run via this list could also have the server replays saved for
even greater legitimate policing. In any case, "policing" is the key here -
not just in races either - all sessions/modes.

Crispy Critte

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Crispy Critte » Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:38:14


>     Well, read all these posts and my point stands. Companies need to supply
> racelists (and maybe a few of their own servers) and have rules in place to
> suspend people. With replays easy to save there is nowhere for the fools to
> hide. Races run via this list could also have the server replays saved for
> even greater legitimate policing. In any case, "policing" is the key here -
> not just in races either - all sessions/modes.

Policing has it's problems too. You get people accused of infractions that
they never made any or were just an accident. I got kicked off a MP server
for Red Orchestra just last week because I was accused of friendly kills.
The fact is I never killed any friendlies, not one.
Byron Forbe

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Byron Forbe » Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:11:21



>>     Well, read all these posts and my point stands. Companies need to
>> supply
>> racelists (and maybe a few of their own servers) and have rules in place
>> to
>> suspend people. With replays easy to save there is nowhere for the fools
>> to
>> hide. Races run via this list could also have the server replays saved
>> for
>> even greater legitimate policing. In any case, "policing" is the key
>> here -
>> not just in races either - all sessions/modes.

> Policing has it's problems too. You get people accused of infractions that
> they never made any or were just an accident. I got kicked off a MP server
> for Red Orchestra just last week because I was accused of friendly kills.
> The fact is I never killed any friendlies, not one.

    Well, how good the policemen are is another matter.

    Suspensions for improper complaints would take care of whingers too.

    I mainly mean idiots here - wreckers. Not the subtleties of racing
incidents - that's for leagues.

Gary

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Gary » Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:43:52

Can't the wreckers simply change their name and get around an
"***s" list? If the game supplied a unique ID along with the
driver's name and that is what was used it *could* work. As it is the
12 year old named "Pumpmyass" can simply change his name to
"Killerboy" and all is well. The "Rank" lists can help, but exclude
people (like me) that only pop on occasionally...

GP


>  Well, read all these posts and my point stands. Companies need to
> supply
> racelists (and maybe a few of their own servers) and have rules in place
> to
> suspend people. With replays easy to save there is nowhere for the fools
> to
> hide. Races run via this list could also have the server replays saved
> for
> even greater legitimate policing. In any case, "policing" is the key
> here -
> not just in races either - all sessions/modes.

cosmo_kram..

My Kingdom for decent AI

by cosmo_kram.. » Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:55:06

Since you are clearly having a miserable time playing all racing
simulators, both online and against AI, why don't you just give it up
and pick up a new hobby?...


> >     Well, my attitude is that it's about time they put more effort into
> > online racing and competitions! :)

> Last time I played online racing was not a pleasant experience. I crashed
> onto the inner field and some moron decided I was trying to cheat by
> cutting the corner so proceded to smash up my car with his. What a ***ing
> idiot. I had left the track purely because someone had bumped my car from
> behind. It's hard to control a Nascar when travelling at near to 200mph and
> someone bumps you from behind. Online *** is full of cheaters and people
> that thinks it's funny to ruin the experience for others too. I do play
> some games online (Red Orchestra currently) but still would rather play
> racing games offline with better AI.

Larr

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Larr » Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:00:57

Similar thing happened to me on Sierra last weekend.  The 'Host' issued me a
Black Flag.  I never did anything at all.

I asked why, and was entirely ignored the whole time.

His 'partner' said he made a mistake.

Too bad the guy couldn't own up to it.  I lost 86 points in that race
because of it.

-Larry


Byron Forbe

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Byron Forbe » Wed, 01 Nov 2006 07:01:42


    Yeah, well Papy had this covered - you need the NR2003 CD to play online
with it's unique code. It's that code (ie CD) that is banned and obviously
any IDs connected to it.

Byron Forbe

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Byron Forbe » Wed, 01 Nov 2006 07:05:02


    Yeah, I hate it when anyone has that control outside of league racing -
all kinds of little Hitlers! :)

Larr

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Larr » Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:03:47

That's the sad part.  He WAS a league leader.

-Larry




>> Similar thing happened to me on Sierra last weekend.  The 'Host' issued
>> me a Black Flag.  I never did anything at all.

>> I asked why, and was entirely ignored the whole time.

>> His 'partner' said he made a mistake.

>> Too bad the guy couldn't own up to it.  I lost 86 points in that race
>> because of it.

>    Yeah, I hate it when anyone has that control outside of league racing -
> all kinds of little Hitlers! :)

Crispy Critte

My Kingdom for decent AI

by Crispy Critte » Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:10:03


>     Yeah, I hate it when anyone has that control outside of league racing -
> all kinds of little Hitlers! :)

Oooh, this could tie into a discussion of why I don't like web forums. :)

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