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F1-2000 second look

Alexander Mar

F1-2000 second look

by Alexander Mar » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I gave it another try...

And the first time I overlooked some pretty nice features. The game really
gets a lot better with much tweaking. After setting my System Rating to the
recommended Setting and turning off Mipmapping and such the framerate is
acceptable, if not even good sometimes (Celeron500, Voodoo3, 256mb). THe
next step that allowed me to get into this sim was downloading the new
driving cams from Blackhole Motorsports. The 2nd in-car camera is perfect! I
tweaked the deadzone out of my controller using CTFjoy and surprise :the
Driving Physics are better than every other currently available modern F1
Sim. But I absolutely hate the default setups - way too much understeer.
They are so bad for me that I initially confused really way off setups with
a way off driving model. I was wrong - I fiddled a bit with the setups,
especially the brake balance and it is really not that bad... hell, it's
good. I loaded up Imola and was disappointed again - bad track model , bad
accuracy ... BUT: once I got into it I found it enjoyable on its own. So the
only really lasting criticism I have is the bad track accuracy,  the weak
sound (which seem to be  pretty accurate samples but they are ruined by a
bad sound system), and the AI, which I found totally unacceptable.

and so I went to do the unthinkable ......

I bought it. In the hope that ISI can exploit the full potential of a
basically good game engine and get the money to hire good track modellers
and AI programmers. And I have a (dare I say) decent F1 sim for hotlapping
on (pretty much) fantasy tracks until the final GP3 comes along (which will
blow F1-2000 away for Sound, F1 feeling and track accuracy, you heard it
here).

I still don't think it's really worth the money considering the satisfaction
I get out of another sim that I won't mention because I could stir up a huge
thread about it's *** of this group, but I'm somewhat sorry now about
my too harsh criticism of the warez release. The basics of a good sim are
there, it just seems to be released at least one year too early.  That (and
the fact that it was only 55DM - 25$ :-) is the reason why I have turned 180
and bought a disappointing product ...in the hope that ISI does listen and
produces one hell of a good sim for 2001.

That was my last Rant about F1-2000.

---
Alexander Marx

Don Burnett

F1-2000 second look

by Don Burnett » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

How exactly do you change your system rating?
I loaded it up last night, and while i thought the physics were fairly good,
I am struggling with the framerate on my Celeron running at 464 mhz, V3 3000
card, and 128 mb of ram.
I adjusted some graphics options down, which helped some.

--
Don Burnette
Dburn in N3 and Legends


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The On

F1-2000 second look

by The On » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

what other sim????


> I gave it another try...

> And the first time I overlooked some pretty nice features. The game
really
> gets a lot better with much tweaking. After setting my System Rating to
the
> recommended Setting and turning off Mipmapping and such the framerate is
> acceptable, if not even good sometimes (Celeron500, Voodoo3, 256mb). THe
> next step that allowed me to get into this sim was downloading the new
> driving cams from Blackhole Motorsports. The 2nd in-car camera is perfect!
I
> tweaked the deadzone out of my controller using CTFjoy and surprise :the
> Driving Physics are better than every other currently available modern F1
> Sim. But I absolutely hate the default setups - way too much understeer.
> They are so bad for me that I initially confused really way off setups
with
> a way off driving model. I was wrong - I fiddled a bit with the setups,
> especially the brake balance and it is really not that bad... hell, it's
> good. I loaded up Imola and was disappointed again - bad track model , bad
> accuracy ... BUT: once I got into it I found it enjoyable on its own. So
the
> only really lasting criticism I have is the bad track accuracy,  the weak
> sound (which seem to be  pretty accurate samples but they are ruined by a
> bad sound system), and the AI, which I found totally unacceptable.

> and so I went to do the unthinkable ......

> I bought it. In the hope that ISI can exploit the full potential of a
> basically good game engine and get the money to hire good track modellers
> and AI programmers. And I have a (dare I say) decent F1 sim for hotlapping
> on (pretty much) fantasy tracks until the final GP3 comes along (which
will
> blow F1-2000 away for Sound, F1 feeling and track accuracy, you heard it
> here).

> I still don't think it's really worth the money considering the
satisfaction
> I get out of another sim that I won't mention because I could stir up a
huge
> thread about it's *** of this group, but I'm somewhat sorry now
about
> my too harsh criticism of the warez release. The basics of a good sim are
> there, it just seems to be released at least one year too early.  That
(and
> the fact that it was only 55DM - 25$ :-) is the reason why I have turned
180
> and bought a disappointing product ...in the hope that ISI does listen and
> produces one hell of a good sim for 2001.

> That was my last Rant about F1-2000.

> ---
> Alexander Marx


Gaul

F1-2000 second look

by Gaul » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Ummm...starts with a "G", ends with an "L"?  ;-)

mas..

F1-2000 second look

by mas.. » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00


There's a "system rating" in the config.ini.  Some have reported improved
framerate by changing this value.  It did absolutely nothing for me.  Being a
skeptic, I think it just is FYI and is perhaps used to set the initial detail
levels.  I don't think it in itself does anything.

Use FRAPS (www.fraps.com) to get a readout of the framerate.  I use a replay
file, tweak graphics, and look at the effect on that same replay.  So far,
hands down, the best way to increase framerate while maintaining fine
graphics is the one you might not like: reduce the number of opponents.  This
is only doable in-game for test time, but you can edit your .PLR file in
your save directory (just send it to a text editor).  Under "[GAMEOPTIONS]",
look for **_opponents, where the first two letters refer to the race type.

Also, cut back on vehicle detail (I like high texture and will sacrifice
polygons), start the race with a no-cockpit view, turn off grandstands...

Still, it could be a heck of a lot smoother for the graphics quality.

Mike Blackmor

F1-2000 second look

by Mike Blackmor » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Try rhis to help with the AI

http://www.racesimcentral.net/~michael.blackmore/f12ksetting.zip

It improves them quite a bit



>I gave it another try...

>And the first time I overlooked some pretty nice features. The game really
>gets a lot better with much tweaking. After setting my System Rating to the
>recommended Setting and turning off Mipmapping and such the framerate is
>acceptable, if not even good sometimes (Celeron500, Voodoo3, 256mb). THe
>next step that allowed me to get into this sim was downloading the new
>driving cams from Blackhole Motorsports. The 2nd in-car camera is perfect! I
>tweaked the deadzone out of my controller using CTFjoy and surprise :the
>Driving Physics are better than every other currently available modern F1
>Sim. But I absolutely hate the default setups - way too much understeer.
>They are so bad for me that I initially confused really way off setups with
>a way off driving model. I was wrong - I fiddled a bit with the setups,
>especially the brake balance and it is really not that bad... hell, it's
>good. I loaded up Imola and was disappointed again - bad track model , bad
>accuracy ... BUT: once I got into it I found it enjoyable on its own. So the
>only really lasting criticism I have is the bad track accuracy,  the weak
>sound (which seem to be  pretty accurate samples but they are ruined by a
>bad sound system), and the AI, which I found totally unacceptable.

>and so I went to do the unthinkable ......

>I bought it. In the hope that ISI can exploit the full potential of a
>basically good game engine and get the money to hire good track modellers
>and AI programmers. And I have a (dare I say) decent F1 sim for hotlapping
>on (pretty much) fantasy tracks until the final GP3 comes along (which will
>blow F1-2000 away for Sound, F1 feeling and track accuracy, you heard it
>here).

>I still don't think it's really worth the money considering the satisfaction
>I get out of another sim that I won't mention because I could stir up a huge
>thread about it's *** of this group, but I'm somewhat sorry now about
>my too harsh criticism of the warez release. The basics of a good sim are
>there, it just seems to be released at least one year too early.  That (and
>the fact that it was only 55DM - 25$ :-) is the reason why I have turned 180
>and bought a disappointing product ...in the hope that ISI does listen and
>produces one hell of a good sim for 2001.

>That was my last Rant about F1-2000.

>---
>Alexander Marx


Greg Cisk

F1-2000 second look

by Greg Cisk » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00


the

So I guess that guy who said he saw a incar cam with Barrichello
running imola is nuts. He claimed the F1 2000 imola track was
accurrate according to the incar cam. Know what? I'll be watching
 the race tomorrow. Even though I have seen imola on TV for over
a dozen years and raced with many sims there, I will be very
interested to see the race tomorrow.

If the imola track model in F1 2000 sucks I will say so here and
apologize to frankie. If it is accurate, you guys better wear some
asbestos undies :-)

--

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Iain Mackenzi

F1-2000 second look

by Iain Mackenzi » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Believe me Greg, I checked it out in some detail with Rubens in-car footage
yesterday and F12K looks pretty good to me!
Iain




> > especially the brake balance and it is really not that bad... hell, it's
> > good. I loaded up Imola and was disappointed again - bad track model ,
bad
> > accuracy ... BUT: once I got into it I found it enjoyable on its own. So
> the

> So I guess that guy who said he saw a incar cam with Barrichello
> running imola is nuts. He claimed the F1 2000 imola track was
> accurrate according to the incar cam. Know what? I'll be watching
>  the race tomorrow. Even though I have seen imola on TV for over
> a dozen years and raced with many sims there, I will be very
> interested to see the race tomorrow.

> If the imola track model in F1 2000 sucks I will say so here and
> apologize to frankie. If it is accurate, you guys better wear some
> asbestos undies :-)

> --

> Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

> cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

> > only really lasting criticism I have is the bad track accuracy,  the
weak
> > sound (which seem to be  pretty accurate samples but they are ruined by
a
> > bad sound system), and the AI, which I found totally unacceptable.

Y_Sbutycas

F1-2000 second look

by Y_Sbutycas » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I disagree - I think the track accuracy is quite good with this track.
Most of the others are terrible though - I've never noticed a curve on the
Hanger 'Straight' at Silverstone before!

Iain Mackenzi

F1-2000 second look

by Iain Mackenzi » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00

That's funny - one of the other fave ctritics of the accuracy said that
Silverstone was perfect!
You just don't know, do you?
I know what you mean about Silverstone, but we'll see in a couple of weeks
as the tracks change from year to year.
Iain



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