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by **Goy Larse** » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:01:58

> I don't really know about actual hotlaps. I'd assume the real hotlappers are
> at least a second faster than my fastest, and probably even more.

I was only joking really, never was much of a hotlapper, but for some
reason, WG agrees with my driving style....no, that's right, there's
only one style, oh never mind then

I never made qualifying setups either, not special ones that is, maybe a
minor tweak to get it to hook up better a the rear so I could nail the
throttle a bit, but with the same general feeling as my race setup, then
I know exactly what to expect on my qual lap

I actually enjoy working on setups, my speed comes as a bonus of that I
guess, cause I usually need quite a few laps to get down to competitive
times, but at least I'm enjoying myself while doing so, love the
physics/tire model of this sim :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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by **Uncle Feste** » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:14:29

>>Your description here sounds like it's related to a thread we all had
>>earlier in the week. :-) Sounds like you were too worried about your
>>LPI to slam the door on this guy going into the turn. Or maybe I'm just
>>too aggressive. :-) I think DGF can vouch that I'm clean though. Just
>>aggressive.

> Wrecker! :-)

Damn. Busted. :-P

Yes it was *very* enjoyable.

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Fester

Hey nobody's perfect, not even myself 8)
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by **Joachim Trens** » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:04:49

I used to hotlap in the days of GP1/ICR1 and GP2/ICR2. I lost interest when
it started taking more than a 15 minute stint to beat the other guy's time.
At that time hotlapping changed from a lighthearted friendly competition to
teeth-gritting monster-hotlapping-sessions, and somehow the fun and
nonchalance went away.

The only hotlapping I've done ever after was when I tried to get below the
8min mark at the Ring, but that was three years ago. I just don't have the
patience and stamina for nowadays' hotlapping (the Ring took me 21 laps, 3
per evening over 7 days).

I also enjoy playing with setups, but on ovals, I use Papy's default <fast>.
I somehow have a feeling I'm not good at doing oval setups <g>. On RC's I do
my own, and use the same setup in Q as in the race, but with higher tire
pressures. Sometimes I lower the wing a tad because the better grip on the
first laps allows this, and tire wear isn't an issue.

The physics of N2002 are indeed impressive. The only gripe I have with
Papy's current physics model is that snappiness the car develops sometimes,
where the steering starts jerking ***ly left and right. I can catch it,
but find the effect too strong as compared to real cars.

Off to work now :-(

Cheers

Achim

...
> I was only joking really, never was much of a hotlapper, but for some
> reason, WG agrees with my driving style....no, that's right, there's
> only one style, oh never mind then

> I never made qualifying setups either, not special ones that is, maybe a
> minor tweak to get it to hook up better a the rear so I could nail the
> throttle a bit, but with the same general feeling as my race setup, then
> I know exactly what to expect on my qual lap

> I actually enjoy working on setups, my speed comes as a bonus of that I
> guess, cause I usually need quite a few laps to get down to competitive
> times, but at least I'm enjoying myself while doing so, love the
> physics/tire model of this sim :-)

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by **Gerald Moo** » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:13:34

If somebody gives me room to pass safely, I am going to pass them. It
is better than slowing down, especially at SS. It is not a parade, it
is a race.

The only way they will pass me back is if:
- I***up and give them room
- They are very much faster than me
- They get some good drafting help

Most of the time if you hold a low line and don't get too far
ahead/behind the draft, you will not have any problems - assuming
there isn't a big pileup happening right in front of you.

Also, in the second case, it makes sense to let a faster car back
around, so you can draft them. It doesn't come up much, though,
unless you have aero damage.

Gerald

> Hi Dave,

> when I saw them dive down behind me just before entering the corner, of
> course I didn't follow the cars ahead of me onto the lower line but stayed
> higher up to give the 'driver' room, thus losing contact with the draft
> momentarily.

> I did of course fall back in line behind the 'diver', but thought that this
> maneuver didn't make much sense as I could have gotten the position back by
> doing the same two corners later.

> If I understand aerodynamics right, this maneuver slows the entire train
> down for basically nothing, it's risky as it can only work if the car ahead
> cooperates a lot and yields his position easily, and it's a maneuver without
> merit as you aren't making this pass by virtue of better driving or tactics,
> but by virtue of the guy's in front of you higher maturity and determination
> to avoid an accident.

> On a side note, while just squeezing your front bumper beside someone elses
> rear bumper isn't a good pass ever, on tracks where you can pull away from
> another car after such a pass by virtue of better driving, or if perhaps the
> car in front of you permanently choses a very wide line and leaves the door
> wide open upon entry into a corner during many laps, I would perceive such a
> maneuver as sensible.

> But on an SS, when all cars drive the same line and nobody can drive faster
> due to the known restrictions, it all in all appeared strange enough that I
> decided I needed to ask the experts :-)

> Achim

> ...
> > You also said they force you out of the draft, by that do you mean they
> > cause you to lose contact with the car/cars ahead of you? Even if you are
> > side by side, you should be able to tuck in and gain back most of the
> speed.
> > However, if your partner keeps trying to pass, he will slow your group
> down
> > and I guess you could lose contact.
> > dave henrie

by **Joachim Trens** » Wed, 01 May 2002 03:32:52

Thanks John for this excellent explanation.

Achim

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