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Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

Gordon Rul

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Gordon Rul » Mon, 24 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32.  I
have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk
space error.   I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is
appreciated....     Thanks

Frank Perreau

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Frank Perreau » Mon, 24 Mar 1997 04:00:00


>Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32.  I
>have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk
>space error.   I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is
>appreciated....     Thanks

I recently installed the OEM B version with FAT32.  NASCAR 2 installed with no
problem.  If you can go to a DOS window or Windows Explorer see how much disk
space the OS thinks you have free.  They are either filled or you didn't set up
your partitions correctly.

OEM B will give you a problem is you try to run NASCAR 2 and have a comm port
active.  If a port is active, i.e. online racing, your joystick port will quit
wrking within NASCAR 2.  It's a known bug.

--- Frank ---

RIS

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by RIS » Mon, 24 Mar 1997 04:00:00


>Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32.  I
>have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk
>space error.   I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is
>appreciated....     Thanks

Yea, N2 takes up 4gig total.  Sounds like you need to delete some
files.
Frank Perreau

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Frank Perreau » Mon, 24 Mar 1997 04:00:00



>>Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32.  I
>>have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk
>>space error.   I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is
>>appreciated....     Thanks

>Yea, N2 takes up 4gig total.  Sounds like you need to delete some
>files.

Huh??   Unless he has a CD-ROM the size of a Frizbee, I don't think so.  

Here's what I get after a full NASCAR 2 install, not including TEN.

Total files listed:
       499 file(s)     98,596,545 bytes

--- Frank ---

Jim Sokolo

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Jim Sokolo » Mon, 24 Mar 1997 04:00:00


>Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32.  I
>have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk
>space error.   I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is
>appreciated....     Thanks

I can't say for sure, but since 3.2 GB is larger than 2.1GB, which is
largest amount of free space that can be represented in a signed
32-bit quantity, I'd bet that's the problem. (Can FAT32 partitions be
greater than 2.1GB? [From your question, I presume so...])

Couple of solutions, just chew up disk space with some bogus file
until you have less than 2.1 GB, then install, and then delete the
bogus file. Install to another disk, and xcopy everything over. xcopy
everything from the CD to the disk, or partition the disk into
multiple partitions, each one smaller than 2.1 GB...

---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

Eric T. Busc

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Eric T. Busc » Mon, 24 Mar 1997 04:00:00

FAT32 supports single partitions of up to 2 terabytes, but more
conveniently you can have a partition of up to 8GB while still only
using 4kb clusters.  Going from 32kb to 4kb clusters can free up about
20% of your previously wasted diskspace.

--




David Spark

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by David Spark » Tue, 25 Mar 1997 04:00:00


>I can't say for sure, but since 3.2 GB is larger than 2.1GB, which is
>largest amount of free space that can be represented in a signed
>32-bit quantity, I'd bet that's the problem. (Can FAT32 partitions be
>greater than 2.1GB? [From your question, I presume so...])

That's exactly what FAT32 does for you, Jim. It breaks a LOT of software.

Dave Sparks
IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars
Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html
Hawaii Handle: davids

Frank Perreau

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Frank Perreau » Wed, 26 Mar 1997 04:00:00



>>I can't say for sure, but since 3.2 GB is larger than 2.1GB, which is
>>largest amount of free space that can be represented in a signed
>>32-bit quantity, I'd bet that's the problem. (Can FAT32 partitions be
>>greater than 2.1GB? [From your question, I presume so...])

>That's exactly what FAT32 does for you, Jim. It breaks a LOT of software.

>Dave Sparks
>IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars
>Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html
>Hawaii Handle: davids

Hmm, it runs fine on my system and I run everthing from simulators to 3DCad to
professional MIDI sequencing packages.  Never had a problem with any of them
using FAT32.

--- Frank ---

Bill & Ki

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Bill & Ki » Wed, 26 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Have FAT32 on my system and have NO problems at all with any of the
existing software that I ran on FAT16 on the same system.  I gained 125 meg
on my 1.6 gig drive with the same amount of programs installed.

Nascar Sim Shop http://user.mc.net/~n9ldx




> >I can't say for sure, but since 3.2 GB is larger than 2.1GB, which is
> >largest amount of free space that can be represented in a signed
> >32-bit quantity, I'd bet that's the problem. (Can FAT32 partitions be
> >greater than 2.1GB? [From your question, I presume so...])

> That's exactly what FAT32 does for you, Jim. It breaks a LOT of software.

> Dave Sparks
> IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars
> Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html
> Hawaii Handle: davids

Charlie Heat

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Charlie Heat » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00


>OEM B will give you a problem is you try to run NASCAR 2 and have a comm
>port active.  If a port is active, i.e. online racing, your joystick port will
>quit working within NASCAR 2.  It's a known bug.

>--- Frank ---

Thanks for the info, Frank ... it may have been a known bug to you, but it
hadn't been confirmed to me (though I'd deduced it was likely from my
knowledge of the joystick driver).    Now, cross yer fingers, lets hope we
can do something about it ...

Charlie Heath
Papyrus

Jim Sokolo

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Jim Sokolo » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Right, that's because you never had a program check to see how much
free space there was and get back an answer greater than 2.1GB (which
if you represent that in an int32, becomes a negative number and the
program thinks there isn't any space left...)

This particular mis-feature only arises when a partition has more than
2.1GB of free space on it...

---Jim Sokoloff

Patrick Woole

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Patrick Woole » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00



> >Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32.  I
> >have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk
> >space error.   I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is
> >appreciated....     Thanks

> I can't say for sure, but since 3.2 GB is larger than 2.1GB, which is
> largest amount of free space that can be represented in a signed
> 32-bit quantity, I'd bet that's the problem. (Can FAT32 partitions be
> greater than 2.1GB? [From your question, I presume so...])

> Couple of solutions, just chew up disk space with some bogus file
> until you have less than 2.1 GB, then install, and then delete the
> bogus file. Install to another disk, and xcopy everything over. xcopy
> everything from the CD to the disk, or partition the disk into
> multiple partitions, each one smaller than 2.1 GB...

> ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

Yep, FAT 32 breaks the 2.1GB limit. However, I doubt that this is his
problem. The FAT chain pretty much lays out where and how data will be
stored within a partition.
-Pat
Jim Sokolo

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Jim Sokolo » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00

On Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:27:17 +0000, Patrick Wooley


>Yep, FAT 32 breaks the 2.1GB limit. However, I doubt that this is his
>problem. The FAT chain pretty much lays out where and how data will be
>stored within a partition.

Sorry, I wasn't precise enough in my explanation. If an older program
asks for the disk free space, and gets back an answer greater than
2.1GB (but less than 4.2GB), it is quite possible that that older
program stores that number in a signed 32-bit integer. That number is
interpreted as negative, and therefore the question "Is there at least
100MB free (for example)?" will compare 100MB to some negative number
and the answer will be "No, there's not enough space..."

To non-programmers, this probably sounds like the most sh*%-off stupid
thing you've ever heard, but that's the problem. The "solution" is to
temporarily get the free space under 2.1GB (by chewing up disk space
with bogus file(s)), installing, and then deleting the bogus file(s).
(And, in defense of every programmer who has this bug in their code,
in the pre-FAT-32 days, this was completely SAFE, since you'd never
get an answer back that was too large...)

---Jim Sokoloff

David Spark

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by David Spark » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Yes, but you don't have a partition that's larger than 2GB. That's where
the problems come in.

Dave Sparks
IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars
Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html
Hawaii Handle: davids

Justin Rya

Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

by Justin Rya » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00




> >Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32.  I
> >have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk
> >space error.   I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is
> >appreciated....     Thanks

> Yea, N2 takes up 4gig total.  Sounds like you need to delete some
> files.

I've read some of you posts and you think your real funny.

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