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ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

nathant

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by nathant » Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:05:14

Does anyone have the following problem with ATI Radeon 9000 pro cards (or
the other cards in general) when using EA Games programs using Catalyst 3.4,
3.5, and 3.6? For example, in Medal of Honor, including Spearhead, I get
flashing red squares showing up on the walls and floors, especially in the
snow. In F1 2002 (with GTR Racing) and Madden 2003 I get textures ripping
and flashing everywhere. I don't get this with any other manufacturer's
programs.

I've tried using the Omega drivers without luck. I've tried V-sync and it
didn't help. In the case of the ripping and flashing bars of textures it
appears to come on whenever Anisotropic filtering and Smoothvision are
turned on. This is especially true with F1 2002 and GTR Racing and Madden
2003. As for the flashing red squares in Medal of Honor I had that with each
of my different systems. I thought everything was happening because my
machine wasn't fast enough for anisotropic and smoothvision filtering but
that turned out not to be the case.

My previous system was as follows:

Abit BH6 (original) motherboard
256 meg of RAM
600mhz Slot 1 Pentium 3 o/c to 800mhz

My current system is as follows:

Asus P4P800 motherboard
512 megs of dual DDR400 RAM
Pentium 4 2.4c o/c to 3.2 Ghz

So my system nowdays should be plenty fast. I even get over 36fps in FS2004.
I thought perhaps my system was overheating, especially the memory, but I
put Thermaltake copper cooling kits on my DDR memory and heatsinks on my ATI
9000 Pro. However, it doesn't seem to help.

Anyone have any ideas? I'm actually thinking it might actually be the
Catalyst drivers, especially the newest ones because it appears that
anisotropic and smoothvision filtering take place regardless of my settings.
There's no place to turn it off.

Thanks for any thoughts or ideas.

Nathan

Jesper Bentze

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by Jesper Bentze » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:59:25

Hi

Hmm, I can't help you much except to say that I have used Catalyst 3.4-3.6
on my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro with no problems, so I don't think it has anything
to do with the drivers in it self.

You seem to o/c quite a lot and you describe that most games don't run as
they should - maybe you should try to not o/c and see how things go.

Question is also do you really need Anisotropic filtering and Smoothvision?
I turn it off to get more speed.

    [DTO]Pvt.MoneyShot

P.S. I have had some heating problems that was solved by adding some extra
fans in my tower, but other than that it runs like a dream.


nathant

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by nathant » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:53:20

Thanks for the reply. I tried using the computer at the default 2.4Ghz and
it didn't help.


> Hi

> Hmm, I can't help you much except to say that I have used Catalyst 3.4-3.6
> on my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro with no problems, so I don't think it has
anything
> to do with the drivers in it self.

> You seem to o/c quite a lot and you describe that most games don't run as
> they should - maybe you should try to not o/c and see how things go.

> Question is also do you really need Anisotropic filtering and
Smoothvision?
> I turn it off to get more speed.

>     [DTO]Pvt.MoneyShot

> P.S. I have had some heating problems that was solved by adding some extra
> fans in my tower, but other than that it runs like a dream.



> > Does anyone have the following problem with ATI Radeon 9000 pro cards
(or
> > the other cards in general) when using EA Games programs using Catalyst
> 3.4,
> > 3.5, and 3.6? For example, in Medal of Honor, including Spearhead, I get
> > flashing red squares showing up on the walls and floors, especially in
the
> > snow. In F1 2002 (with GTR Racing) and Madden 2003 I get textures
ripping
> > and flashing everywhere. I don't get this with any other manufacturer's
> > programs.

> > I've tried using the Omega drivers without luck. I've tried V-sync and
it
> > didn't help. In the case of the ripping and flashing bars of textures it
> > appears to come on whenever Anisotropic filtering and Smoothvision are
> > turned on. This is especially true with F1 2002 and GTR Racing and
Madden
> > 2003. As for the flashing red squares in Medal of Honor I had that with
> each
> > of my different systems. I thought everything was happening because my
> > machine wasn't fast enough for anisotropic and smoothvision filtering
but
> > that turned out not to be the case.

> > My previous system was as follows:

> > Abit BH6 (original) motherboard
> > 256 meg of RAM
> > 600mhz Slot 1 Pentium 3 o/c to 800mhz

> > My current system is as follows:

> > Asus P4P800 motherboard
> > 512 megs of dual DDR400 RAM
> > Pentium 4 2.4c o/c to 3.2 Ghz

> > So my system nowdays should be plenty fast. I even get over 36fps in
> FS2004.
> > I thought perhaps my system was overheating, especially the memory, but
I
> > put Thermaltake copper cooling kits on my DDR memory and heatsinks on my
> ATI
> > 9000 Pro. However, it doesn't seem to help.

> > Anyone have any ideas? I'm actually thinking it might actually be the
> > Catalyst drivers, especially the newest ones because it appears that
> > anisotropic and smoothvision filtering take place regardless of my
> settings.
> > There's no place to turn it off.

> > Thanks for any thoughts or ideas.

> > Nathan

oldsupportg

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by oldsupportg » Sat, 20 Sep 2003 04:46:12

My issue was almost the same - Playing mohaa would work fine for about
the first 5 minutes - then some bits would appear, flashing at random.
Then a texture or two would turn a neon hue.

Come to find out the Radeon card was over heating - granted its a
9200, I picked up for $90. But still - it should work out of the box.
The heatsink was over 140 degrees F after a hour of game play.
My case is very ventilated (8 x 80mm fans), my case may reach 80
degrees F and cpu hardly every reach 110 F so I returned it and got a
GeForce FX 5200 and haven't had a problem since.

Looking back, this card was built by Powercolor... a seemingly
offbrand builder of ATI cards. I should have inspected the card more
closely before buying it. The heatsink itself was about the same size
as the one on my Via KT400 northbridge.


> Thanks for the reply. I tried using the computer at the default 2.4Ghz and
> it didn't help.



> > Hi

> > Hmm, I can't help you much except to say that I have used Catalyst 3.4-3.6
> > on my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro with no problems, so I don't think it has
>  anything
> > to do with the drivers in it self.

> > You seem to o/c quite a lot and you describe that most games don't run as
> > they should - maybe you should try to not o/c and see how things go.

> > Question is also do you really need Anisotropic filtering and
>  Smoothvision?
> > I turn it off to get more speed.

> >     [DTO]Pvt.MoneyShot

> > P.S. I have had some heating problems that was solved by adding some extra
> > fans in my tower, but other than that it runs like a dream.



> > > Does anyone have the following problem with ATI Radeon 9000 pro cards
>  (or
> > > the other cards in general) when using EA Games programs using Catalyst
>  3.4,
> > > 3.5, and 3.6? For example, in Medal of Honor, including Spearhead, I get
> > > flashing red squares showing up on the walls and floors, especially in
>  the
> > > snow. In F1 2002 (with GTR Racing) and Madden 2003 I get textures
>  ripping
> > > and flashing everywhere. I don't get this with any other manufacturer's
> > > programs.

> > > I've tried using the Omega drivers without luck. I've tried V-sync and
>  it
> > > didn't help. In the case of the ripping and flashing bars of textures it
> > > appears to come on whenever Anisotropic filtering and Smoothvision are
> > > turned on. This is especially true with F1 2002 and GTR Racing and
>  Madden
> > > 2003. As for the flashing red squares in Medal of Honor I had that with
>  each
> > > of my different systems. I thought everything was happening because my
> > > machine wasn't fast enough for anisotropic and smoothvision filtering
>  but
> > > that turned out not to be the case.

> > > My previous system was as follows:

> > > Abit BH6 (original) motherboard
> > > 256 meg of RAM
> > > 600mhz Slot 1 Pentium 3 o/c to 800mhz

> > > My current system is as follows:

> > > Asus P4P800 motherboard
> > > 512 megs of dual DDR400 RAM
> > > Pentium 4 2.4c o/c to 3.2 Ghz

> > > So my system nowdays should be plenty fast. I even get over 36fps in
>  FS2004.
> > > I thought perhaps my system was overheating, especially the memory, but
>  I
> > > put Thermaltake copper cooling kits on my DDR memory and heatsinks on my
>  ATI
> > > 9000 Pro. However, it doesn't seem to help.

> > > Anyone have any ideas? I'm actually thinking it might actually be the
> > > Catalyst drivers, especially the newest ones because it appears that
> > > anisotropic and smoothvision filtering take place regardless of my
>  settings.
> > > There's no place to turn it off.

> > > Thanks for any thoughts or ideas.

> > > Nathan

magnulu

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by magnulu » Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:42:27

  Not sure overheating is the problem- actually ATI cards don't make as much
heat as some of the GeForce cards do, and the Radeon 9000 doesn't have high
cooling requirements.

   I get similar things happening with a Radeon 9700 Pro in OpenGL games
like Medal of Honor (texture tearing and artifacts, although very briefly
and it's not very often but still looks ugly), yet this doesn't occur in
D3D- except BF 1942, for some reason I've seen a very wierd artifacting
there too, although it only occurs on some maps (like Berlin).  I haven't
messed with the clock of the card ever.  My guess is its a driver problem if
not some underlying hardware bug.  If it were overheating/overclocking or
just fried, I'd see it in every game, I would think.  Perhaps ATI is making
too agressive of optimizations and "broke" something, or their OpenGL
drivers just need more work.   Also, the AGP voltage might not be right.   I
just don't know enough about these things to say for sure.  Curiously
enough, I've seen the same problem with Battlefield and a GeForce FX... so
who knows... might be something on the motherboard.

  It would be great to find a utility you could test the "health" of your
videocard, memory, etc. Look for failing transistors or parts, and so on,
because the problem is disconcerting.


> My issue was almost the same - Playing mohaa would work fine for about
> the first 5 minutes - then some bits would appear, flashing at random.
> Then a texture or two would turn a neon hue.

> Come to find out the Radeon card was over heating - granted its a
> 9200, I picked up for $90. But still - it should work out of the box.
> The heatsink was over 140 degrees F after a hour of game play.
> My case is very ventilated (8 x 80mm fans), my case may reach 80
> degrees F and cpu hardly every reach 110 F so I returned it and got a
> GeForce FX 5200 and haven't had a problem since.

> Looking back, this card was built by Powercolor... a seemingly
> offbrand builder of ATI cards. I should have inspected the card more
> closely before buying it. The heatsink itself was about the same size
> as the one on my Via KT400 northbridge.




- Show quoted text -

> > Thanks for the reply. I tried using the computer at the default 2.4Ghz
and
> > it didn't help.



> > > Hi

> > > Hmm, I can't help you much except to say that I have used Catalyst
3.4-3.6
> > > on my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro with no problems, so I don't think it has
> >  anything
> > > to do with the drivers in it self.

> > > You seem to o/c quite a lot and you describe that most games don't run
as
> > > they should - maybe you should try to not o/c and see how things go.

> > > Question is also do you really need Anisotropic filtering and
> >  Smoothvision?
> > > I turn it off to get more speed.

> > >     [DTO]Pvt.MoneyShot

> > > P.S. I have had some heating problems that was solved by adding some
extra
> > > fans in my tower, but other than that it runs like a dream.



> > > > Does anyone have the following problem with ATI Radeon 9000 pro
cards
> >  (or
> > > > the other cards in general) when using EA Games programs using
Catalyst
> >  3.4,
> > > > 3.5, and 3.6? For example, in Medal of Honor, including Spearhead, I
get
> > > > flashing red squares showing up on the walls and floors, especially
in
> >  the
> > > > snow. In F1 2002 (with GTR Racing) and Madden 2003 I get textures
> >  ripping
> > > > and flashing everywhere. I don't get this with any other
manufacturer's
> > > > programs.

> > > > I've tried using the Omega drivers without luck. I've tried V-sync
and
> >  it
> > > > didn't help. In the case of the ripping and flashing bars of
textures it
> > > > appears to come on whenever Anisotropic filtering and Smoothvision
are
> > > > turned on. This is especially true with F1 2002 and GTR Racing and
> >  Madden
> > > > 2003. As for the flashing red squares in Medal of Honor I had that
with
> >  each
> > > > of my different systems. I thought everything was happening because
my
> > > > machine wasn't fast enough for anisotropic and smoothvision
filtering
> >  but
> > > > that turned out not to be the case.

> > > > My previous system was as follows:

> > > > Abit BH6 (original) motherboard
> > > > 256 meg of RAM
> > > > 600mhz Slot 1 Pentium 3 o/c to 800mhz

> > > > My current system is as follows:

> > > > Asus P4P800 motherboard
> > > > 512 megs of dual DDR400 RAM
> > > > Pentium 4 2.4c o/c to 3.2 Ghz

> > > > So my system nowdays should be plenty fast. I even get over 36fps in
> >  FS2004.
> > > > I thought perhaps my system was overheating, especially the memory,
but
> >  I
> > > > put Thermaltake copper cooling kits on my DDR memory and heatsinks
on my
> >  ATI
> > > > 9000 Pro. However, it doesn't seem to help.

> > > > Anyone have any ideas? I'm actually thinking it might actually be
the
> > > > Catalyst drivers, especially the newest ones because it appears that
> > > > anisotropic and smoothvision filtering take place regardless of my
> >  settings.
> > > > There's no place to turn it off.

> > > > Thanks for any thoughts or ideas.

> > > > Nathan

Ro

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by Ro » Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:09:11


> Does anyone have the following problem with ATI Radeon 9000 pro cards (or
> the other cards in general) when using EA Games programs using Catalyst 3.4,
> 3.5, and 3.6? For example, in Medal of Honor, including Spearhead, I get
> flashing red squares showing up on the walls and floors, especially in the
> snow. In F1 2002 (with GTR Racing) and Madden 2003 I get textures ripping
> and flashing everywhere. I don't get this with any other manufacturer's
> programs.

> I've tried using the Omega drivers without luck. I've tried V-sync and it
> didn't help. In the case of the ripping and flashing bars of textures it
> appears to come on whenever Anisotropic filtering and Smoothvision are
> turned on. This is especially true with F1 2002 and GTR Racing and Madden
> 2003. As for the flashing red squares in Medal of Honor I had that with each
> of my different systems. I thought everything was happening because my
> machine wasn't fast enough for anisotropic and smoothvision filtering but
> that turned out not to be the case.

I am getting a similar problem in Spearhead and Breakthrough
singleplay. I get small white boxes on the ground where an enemy is
standing when I shoot him.

Tried changing all settings, resolution, reducing Windows
acceleration, installing newest drivers, etc... no luck.

Also... I am also getting a crash to the briefing room when I am in
the 3rd Breakthrough mission (Flush out the bunker - after mine
clearing by tanks). It is when I enter the room with the winding
staircase heading up.

Dell Dimension 8200
P4 2Ghz
512 MB RAM
NVidia GeForce 4 ti4600
Windows XP Home

Nothing is overclocked. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

Robert

Dave Henri

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by Dave Henri » Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:28:34



   The general consensus here is the older motherboards may contribute.  I
have an Asus A7a and it has lots of graphic flaws in F1 Challenge and F1
2k2.  Others here with the same motherboard said their similar problems
went away after buying a newer mb.

dave henrie

Jesper M. Bentze

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by Jesper M. Bentze » Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:57:58

Hmm, are you running an original version of the game? I have seen the
problem you describe on a pirate version of the game, but on my original
there is no problem. I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and it runs without
problems ( I had a few heat related issues, they were solved the instant I
cooled things down with my 8 fan chasis)



Ro

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by Ro » Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:00:16


Yes, the game is a pckaged version bought from Best Buy (actually
Future Shop, but they are the same company).

The key to getting rid of the problems with the graphics was to
uninstall all things MOH and then reinstall. No white boxes on the
ground.

I am now going back and forth with their technical support about the
crashing to the briefing room.

Thanks for all the assistance folks.

Robert

Dirty Harr

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by Dirty Harr » Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:09:56

My god ppl, take your side cover off and you don't need any case fans....



> Hmm, are you running an original version of the game? I have seen the
> problem you describe on a pirate version of the game, but on my original
> there is no problem. I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and it runs without
> problems ( I had a few heat related issues, they were solved the instant I
> cooled things down with my 8 fan chasis)





> > > Does anyone have the following problem with ATI Radeon 9000 pro cards
> (or
> > > the other cards in general) when using EA Games programs using
Catalyst
> 3.4,
> > > 3.5, and 3.6? For example, in Medal of Honor, including Spearhead, I
get
> > > flashing red squares showing up on the walls and floors, especially in
> the
> > > snow. In F1 2002 (with GTR Racing) and Madden 2003 I get textures
> ripping
> > > and flashing everywhere. I don't get this with any other
manufacturer's
> > > programs.

> > > I've tried using the Omega drivers without luck. I've tried V-sync and
> it
> > > didn't help. In the case of the ripping and flashing bars of textures
it
> > > appears to come on whenever Anisotropic filtering and Smoothvision are
> > > turned on. This is especially true with F1 2002 and GTR Racing and
> Madden
> > > 2003. As for the flashing red squares in Medal of Honor I had that
with
> each
> > > of my different systems. I thought everything was happening because my
> > > machine wasn't fast enough for anisotropic and smoothvision filtering
> but
> > > that turned out not to be the case.

> > I am getting a similar problem in Spearhead and Breakthrough
> > singleplay. I get small white boxes on the ground where an enemy is
> > standing when I shoot him.

> > Tried changing all settings, resolution, reducing Windows
> > acceleration, installing newest drivers, etc... no luck.

> > Also... I am also getting a crash to the briefing room when I am in
> > the 3rd Breakthrough mission (Flush out the bunker - after mine
> > clearing by tanks). It is when I enter the room with the winding
> > staircase heading up.

> > Dell Dimension 8200
> > P4 2Ghz
> > 512 MB RAM
> > NVidia GeForce 4 ti4600
> > Windows XP Home

> > Nothing is overclocked. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

> > Robert

Andre Warring

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by Andre Warring » Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:08:53



But then my PC sounds like a vacuum cleaner :-/

Andre

Skid

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by Skid » Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:00:16


But then you get more dust and noise, and spoil the designed airflow, which
often results in hot spots, especially in the crowded area where AGP and PCI
cards are jammed..

If it were as simple as you suggest, nobody would run with side covers. In
fact, some people have tried it both ways and found temps were actually
lower with them on. YMMV.

Dirty Harr

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by Dirty Harr » Sun, 05 Oct 2003 02:00:39

My Overclocked Barton and my overclocked radeon 9800 seem to run just fine,
no case fans=less noise, as fas as the dust goes, you'd have to put a filter
infront of all your fans to stop that, but that would also stop the
airflow...hmmm.




> > My god ppl, take your side cover off and you don't need any case
fans....

> But then you get more dust and noise, and spoil the designed airflow,
which
> often results in hot spots, especially in the crowded area where AGP and
PCI
> cards are jammed..

> If it were as simple as you suggest, nobody would run with side covers. In
> fact, some people have tried it both ways and found temps were actually
> lower with them on. YMMV.

Replican

ATI 9000 Pro with Catalyst 3.4 to 3.6 problems

by Replican » Mon, 06 Oct 2003 05:47:28


Nah, so long as you use the proper material for a filter it won't disrupt
the airflow. I cut a piece out of woman's nylons (no jokes please) and use
that. Stretch it tight over the fan and hold it in place with an elastic
band. Works great.


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