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Wayne Hutchiso

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by Wayne Hutchiso » Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I wonder who needs to wake up here????

Wayne Hutchison
I AM Canadian!


> Well there might be somebody out there who thinks there's more to racing
> than going around in circles ( I must say that road-courses in cart are
> exciting but the oval---comeon. Dogs go around in circles before the
sleep,
> as well as Cart-drivers.) Todas F1-race wasn't the most exciting of them
> all, but still it introduced Hakkinen as a champ-contender. When american
> racer wake up and see that race-cars can go more ways than left maybe the
> rest of the world will take the serious.

> Bertel Bolt-J



> > Did anyone catch both these races today?

> > Makes you wonder why everyone is pumping out F1 titles by the droves and
> > nobody will touch CART.

> > Ironically I ran across a very good editorial at Gamesdomain just now
that
> > asks the same question.
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > What's a guy got to do to get a little ICR3!

BriGu

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by BriGu » Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:00:00



Did you see Mazzacarte's(sp?)

It was Zonta, and he was putting his steering wheel back on, as required
by the regulations.  Helmet or no, if a track worker clouts me on the
bean with a large machine, he'd get both a finger AND a few choice words
from me.

--


L_NiN

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by L_NiN » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Did anyone catch both these races today?

Makes you wonder why everyone is pumping out F1 titles by the droves and
nobody will touch CART.

Ironically I ran across a very good editorial at Gamesdomain just now that
asks the same question.
http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdr.cgi?depart/jul00/divide.html

What's a guy got to do to get a little ICR3!

Bertel Bolt-J?rgense

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by Bertel Bolt-J?rgense » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Well there might be somebody out there who thinks there's more to racing
than going around in circles ( I must say that road-courses in cart are
exciting but the oval---comeon. Dogs go around in circles before the sleep,
as well as Cart-drivers.) Todas F1-race wasn't the most exciting of them
all, but still it introduced Hakkinen as a champ-contender. When american
racer wake up and see that race-cars can go more ways than left maybe the
rest of the world will take the serious.

Bertel Bolt-J


Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

It's been said a thousand times before, but...

If you don't think oval races are worth watching then you don't understand
the problem.

Don't feel bad though, Montoya doesn't get it either, yet.

Jan.
=---

Alex Kihuran

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by Alex Kihuran » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Oh god. They have a couple oval races, so what, they do it so it attracts
all types of fans and people. I think CART is PERFECTLY balanced. It's like
a mix of NASCAR and F1. It's not as close as NASCAR and theres less passing,
but it's a bit more special when they pass, but not stupid when a driver
can't get around a blocking slow driver in F1 for 10 laps and then they
finally pass them and majorly pull away. That's a little lame. I tuned into
the race halfway through and I didn't see any passes, except for Hakinen
lapping people. I only watched it to see the only drivers I like in F1,
Villenueve (gotta route on the North American!) and Button. The CART race
was great! Passing every once in a while, the cars were closer together, the
cars weren't ugly, and the drivers didn't seem so snobbish and had more
respect for each other, and the workers too. Did you see Mazzacarte's(sp?)
head get clunked by his car that was being lifted up by a crane and he gave
the guy the finger after HE was standing in the way. Geez, he was just
trying to help and do is job! I mean, the F1 drivers dont even talk to the
TV crews when they retire, just their cheezy press conference for the top 3.
The slower cars/drivers dont even get to appear on TV. Then you constantly
see drivers every race taking each other out trying to block the other guy,
instead of letting him by and getting a better run and passing back. Then
you constantly see drivers waving their middle fingers at others. Totally
unproffesional and unacceptable. Then Eddie Irvine's comments about
Americans obsession with passing and comparing it to sleeping with 100 girls
every night or one every week was unacceptable too. It doesn't seem like
they care about doing good or expanding the sport which makes them
millionaires.

and, it's just plain BORING!!!!!!!! 30 seconds between each car? I don't
know how you can like snobbish race drivers that dont even agknowledge the
fans or talk to them, tell the workers or signaling them or are doing them
favors to go f*ck themselves, and the lack of competiveness because the team
that wins is the one with the most money, not necessarily the best drivers.
Oh, and they don't even agknowledge a finisher, or anyone outside the top 6!
I mean, theres teams going scoreless. In F1, consistancy doesn't count,
which is stupid I think.

Now CART. Oh yes, well Paul tracy may sometimes take people out, but you
don't see them giving the finger to people and putting others that work so
hard down. And the race itself is very interesting, with fuel strategies,
lead changes, close calls. It's totally unpredictable and things change so
quickly. I LOVE CART!

Thanks,
Alex
BTW, I used to be like, "Oh yes! F1 is coming to the USA!" But now I REALLY
don't care.

> Well there might be somebody out there who thinks there's more to racing
> than going around in circles ( I must say that road-courses in cart are
> exciting but the oval---comeon. Dogs go around in circles before the
sleep,
> as well as Cart-drivers.) Todas F1-race wasn't the most exciting of them
> all, but still it introduced Hakkinen as a champ-contender. When american
> racer wake up and see that race-cars can go more ways than left maybe the
> rest of the world will take the serious.

> Bertel Bolt-J



> > Did anyone catch both these races today?

> > Makes you wonder why everyone is pumping out F1 titles by the droves and
> > nobody will touch CART.

> > Ironically I ran across a very good editorial at Gamesdomain just now
that
> > asks the same question.
> > http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdr.cgi?depart/jul00/divide.html

> > What's a guy got to do to get a little ICR3!

Loosa

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by Loosa » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Nascar racing is extremely popular, and it is pretty much all about oval
racing. I personally think that oval racing is pretty boring compared to road
circuits , but there is so little actual competitveness on the narrow road
courses most of the time compared to the bumper to bumper racing on ovals.
Watching F1 on TV is kinda boring compared to Nascar because someone usually
gets out in front early in the race and just hotlaps until he wins or his car
breaks or maybe he screws up in one corner. But , when it comes to videogames,
the tide turns in favor of F1 roadcourses , because they are more challenging
and fun. Cart is probably the best type of racing both for watching and
video*** , because it has both ovals and roadcourses.
TRUSRS

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by TRUSRS » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

god bless you my child
you make more sense than anybody in this forum
I worship thee

CART rules!!!!

Target

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by Target » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

We do, but you wouldn't be smart enough to know that.
Racer X
Veteran Sim Racer
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Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

What's a guy got to do to get a little ICR3!
 my new pet project is to emulate the sucess of glDoom and get Sierra to
release the ICR2 code into the public domain.  Then we could make our own 3d
version.
Xoli

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by Xoli » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Finally one guy with an insightful comment. By the way doesn't everyone know
this is a Sim NG?

Loosay2 said>>>>>
Nascar racing is extremely popular, and it is pretty much all about oval
racing. I personally think that oval racing is pretty boring compared to
road
circuits , but there is so little actual competitveness on the narrow road
courses most of the time compared to the bumper to bumper racing on ovals.
Watching F1 on TV is kinda boring compared to Nascar because someone usually
gets out in front early in the race and just hotlaps until he wins or his
car
breaks or maybe he screws up in one corner. But , when it comes to
videogames,
the tide turns in favor of F1 roadcourses , because they are more
challenging
and fun. Cart is probably the best type of racing both for watching and
video*** , because it has both ovals and roadcourses.>>>>>

Alex Kihuran

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by Alex Kihuran » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Very smart :) I very much agree with you.

Thanks,
Alex

crossb..

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by crossb.. » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00



Look at the crowds at F1 races, and then look at the crowds at CART
races.  Developers don't care what is more exciting, they just want to
sell games.

Benga

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by Benga » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

as a race fan who enjoys most racing and after seeeing both races today
I can only say that even though F1 can be boring at times I enjoy the
"soap opera" air about it and was actually e***d at the start as
usual.I appreciate what all drivers of this calibre must deal with and
F1 is in a class all its own. Of course they are snobs.Besides money ,
can you imagine what it takes to get to F1.A few years of that kinda
stress would make anyone a little touched.    HOWEVER,
CART RULES ,  I love cart. It is the most exciting, definitely. A CART
sim would be great and here In Canada I am sure it would be in demand
but then theres the rest of the world.
As far as the behavior of some of the drivers go,  I race Karts as a
hobbie and Ive been really pissed at times, and hey....theres no money.
I cant imagine the emotional rollercoaster these guys experience after
putting every ounce of energy and concentration into their work and to
be near the front in points mid season only to be punted. Think about
it,how many critics cant even keep their cool and composure within this
newsgroup :) hehe        

> Did anyone catch both these races today?

> Makes you wonder why everyone is pumping out F1 titles by the droves and
> nobody will touch CART.

> Ironically I ran across a very good editorial at Gamesdomain just now that
> asks the same question.
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> What's a guy got to do to get a little ICR3!

Ed Solhei

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by Ed Solhei » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Time to wake up and smell the coffee Bertel..

Seen any oval races lately?
Seen any Cart races at all lately??

Lets see what most excicting here....:

CART2000: 10 races - 8 different winners from 8 different teams (3 different
engines, 3 different chassis)

F1 2000: 10 races - 3 different winners - 2 different teams

As someone said before... if you think oval-racing is boring, then you  have
yet to understand what it's all about.

Heck, there even more passing and excsictment in the line to the counter at
the supermarket, than there is in F1.

Ed_


> Well there might be somebody out there who thinks there's more to racing
> than going around in circles <SNIP!>


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