Stuart
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Stuart Booth
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>Ok, I really like the looks of GPL. I WANT to like the sim overall,
>but it's just to darn hard! I know I'm a wimp, you don't need to tell
>me. Are there any tips for a lamer like me who really wants to do well
>at this sim?
>Please?
>Planedoc
Joe
>>On Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:23:51 -0500, "Daniel H Lauring"
>>>>On the same subject, I assume most people are using a wheel of some
>>>>kind with this sim (I'm not at the moment)? What is a fairly decent
>>>>low cost choice for a wheel?
>>>If you are willing to crack $300 you can check out the ECC1.
>>The ECCI starts at US$995.
>OUCH....I think I'd get myself a used Honda Nighthawk first!
>>>For $1200 you can get yourself a Hypersimulater. It looks like a
>>>mini-tireless F1 car. This thing is guaranteed to have your racing
>friends
>>>green with envy and your other friends and wife thinking you've totally
>lost
>>>it.
>>The HyperStimulator starts at US$500.
>>Peter Holt
>$500?....you are talking the "build it yourself" kit, right? Anyway, I
>can't afford the floorspace or my wife's disdain. I get enough flak for the
>little seat time I do get.
Peter Holt
Randy
>>Having tried an ECCI, I think the TSW is superior in feel.
>Out of interest, which model did you try?
>"Feel" is always an intensely personal thing but I much prefer my CDS4000
>to any of the TSWs I've tried.
>Cheers,
>Richard
> > Seriously, do fast GPLer's use my technique (downshifting then heavy
> > braking) or the other way around?
j
man, those curbs at silverstone bite!
The inner buttons of the CDS4000/paddles *are* quite awkward to reach,
although if you've used a very original CDS you'd recognise the button
unit and realise it's actually quite a cunning solution ECCI have
implemented to enable the excellent paddle shifters they have on their
newest CDS4000 model.
I always found the outer buttons on the very original CDS to be
extremely convenient for normal shifting, and the inner ones a bit of
a stretch for my average hands, but then I only ever used one of them
for reverse back in the days of Nascar and Indycar 1/2.
The feel of the new CDS4000 is *way* improved over the original CDS.
I'd been so used to the original that I immediately liked the newer
model when I got it. But it wasn't until I briefly tried the old CDS
after a few days living with the new one that I found myself stunned
at the difference. The older model is, frankly, ***in comparison.
But then it *is* 3 years old now. And given that the CDS4000 can be
fairly easily customised to be lighter, or much heavier, that's a
handy bonus. I left it at the default setting myself, although I did
adjust the travel which at 240degrees I found to be too much for my
tastes.
Stuart
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Stuart Booth
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Oh sorry, I meant lotus *position*. I find it really hard to reach the
pedals with my knees.
Ditto... for me Q2 marked the beginning of the end. I never quite gelled
with the new scheme of things. Old dog, new tricks maybe :-)
Andrew McP
try a balloon filled with water under the brake pedal (experiment with the
amount of water to find something that is comfortable.
> > > Seriously, do fast GPLer's use my technique (downshifting then heavy
> > > braking) or the other way around?
> man, i thought that i was the only one. i do the downshifting first to
> help slow the car to a manageable level. i usually wreck out pretty fast so
> the accumulated impact of high-revs doesn't have a chance to knock me out.
> as a carry-over from NASCAR2, i put the brake pedal all the way down for
> every hard corner. since there is not any resistance, it would be very hard
> to find the correct spot for pushing down the pedal. heck, i do the same
> for the accelerator, too (when i can). like you, i am about 5 seconds from
> the studs (e.g. - lord graeme nash, et al). i don't imagine that i can get
> much quicker than what i am doing right now. my guess is that we will both
> have to learn a little touch.
> j
> man, those curbs at silverstone bite!
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"I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up
something else.
---Jim
> >>Really? I found the opposite to be true for me. At high speeds
the
> >>care seems more stable with very slight braking and downshifting,
> then
> >>I apply heavier braking as a decelerate.
> >Don't worry, Andrew's advice is only for those who want to run
> 1:33s
> >at Zandvoort.... <g,d&r> :-)
> Seriously, do fast GPLer's use my technique (downshifting then
heavy
> braking) or the other way around?
> I'm getting "OK" times at Monza, WatGlen and Kyalami, but I'm still
> a
> good five seconds off the leaders, and I don't really know how to
> close the gap. (I know the line - "Practice!" - but I seem to have
8-)
*Peter* 8-)
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It just goes to show that not only is "feel" a very individual thing,
but it will depend upon what you are used to up until now. I found the
pedal throw on the CDS4000 to be way to short to get good braking
levels, but others seemed to drive it okay.
Cheers!
John
Jarrod Smith
The Scripps Research Institute
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~jsmith
>> Are there any tips for a lamer like me who really wants to do well
>> at this sim?
>Slow the hell down and concentrate on keeping the car under
>control. It really is that simple, but it means that you need to
>pansy-ass around for a bunch of laps until you can start to turn in
>solid lap times...
>---Jim
Some people use tennis balls.
Jason.
> try a balloon filled with water under the brake pedal (experiment with the
> amount of water to find something that is comfortable.
> Ok, I really like the looks of GPL. I WANT to like the sim overall,
> but it's just to darn hard! I know I'm a wimp, you don't need to
> tell
> me. Are there any tips for a lamer like me who really wants to do
> well
> at this sim?
8-)
Start slow and learn the circuits and the cars (one at a time) and
learn how the cars feel.
Most people (Newbies) jump in the GP car and try to brake the lap
record on thier first attempt, WRONG! Start in the trainer cars, and
stick with one type of car, and one circuit, and just concentrate on
staying on the track, forget about times at this stage.
When you can consistently stay on the track, and you know roughly the
layout of the circuit (do you know which bend is coming next?) then
you can start to think about speed and laptimes.
Do a normal lap where you manage to stay on the track, and note the
laptime. Next time you drive a lap, merely concentrate on beating
*that* last laptime, not any of the internet times, or the fastest
lap records, just your own last best lap, and do not try to beat it
by lots of time, just try to beat it, period, even if it is only by
one hundredth of a second. Gradually do this, again and again, trying
to beat your own best laps each time you go out on the track, after a
while you will be amazed how much your laptimes have reduced?
As you do this, you should also be trying to brake that little bit
later, and accelerate out of corners that little bit earlier, and
maintaining consistent lines through corners, following the apex,
noting braking & gear change points on the circuit, etc.
When you get down to fairly decent times, say within 10 seconds of
the fast guys on the net, then you can really start looking at
technique. Mastering opposite lock, trail braking, throttle steering,
and even..... (fx:gulp) car set-ups.
I also find it *very* helpful to watch other drivers, whether it is
the GPL ai cars, or replays from the fast guys on the net, watch
others and see where they brake, for how long, what gears are they
using, when do they change gear, where do they accelerate out of the
corners, etc, etc.
But most of all, time on the track is what *really* matters.....
8-)
*Peter* 8-)
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