rec.autos.simulators

Controls are very different then other moto games: I think (!) they are very
realistic. You don't just turn around corners as if you're driving a car,
like in other moto games. It feels like you have to shift weight before you
can enter a corner. When you make a bad move it's hard to get the motor
straight on the track again if you react in the 'normal' Castrol/Moto
Racer/Redline Racer way. It looks like the bike moves left and right
underneath you: the wheel of your bike isn't glued to the middle of your
screen. It's hard to explain, but you'll understand immediately what I mean
when you try the demo yourself. It takes some time to get used to it. Which
brings me to the following:

THE DEMO IS TIME LIMITED TO 1:30 MINUTES! I HATE THAT! HOW DARE THEY DO
THIS???
They let you download a hefty 27 Mb just to give you one and a half minute
of racing time. After which you get kicked back to the desktop. You can't
even finish one lap! This sucks! Big time. Yak! This is enough reason not yo
buy the game. It's an insult. It's a *$&#$#$&#$^.
TIP: Luckily you can press ESC just before the counter reaches 1:30 and
restart the race...

So think about it before you download it. Still, if you like moto
games/sims, this will be a must have. It beats Castrol 10 to 1. (And forget
about Redline Racer, which is just a silly arcade game where you might as
well have been driving alien spaceships or whatever). Me, I'm going to wait
for Moto Racer 2: I'm no *** moto fanatic, and MC 2 gives you road and
dirt bikes, and you can make your own tracks. This way I don't have to buy
Motocross Madness AND Superbike. Saves a lot of money, gives a lot more fun.

Jeroen

I have gone to the avault to download it but  I get a time-out message !

Any other websites have it?

Tim

Thanks for the info/ With just a 28.8k modem I don't even think about
downloading the demo.

A desperate Kawasaki-driver

Johan

J. Clermonts

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On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:58:55 +0200, "Jeroen van Engelenhoven"

I'm annoyed about the arcade only thing, moreso than the timelimit! But
sometimes you start something up and within a few seconds you know it
feels right.

I'm not talking about the driving model... it's arcade mode after all. But
the way the bike and viewpoint moves is, IMO, great. A project to watch
perhaps.

Andrew McP

Er...they're not real. While the control is closer to how a race bike
feels and handles it sure isnt right either. They went way too far on
the slowness of response. During a quick slow speed left to right
transition in the game you can easily miss the turn cause the bike
doesnt respond to the steering quickly enough. Thats totally
inaccurate. Granted this is in Arcade mode and maybe thats how they
wanted it but since the Sim mode is disabled that is all I can comment
on. Another major flaw is the sensitivity of steering. Small steering
inputs barely do anything while as soon as you steer a tad more WHOA,
all of a sudden your steering way too much and go in the grass. It
looks like the Control section has adjustments for sensitivity but
they are already set to Fast so I'm not sure if they will help at all.
Again, the demo is too limited.

Another point to mention is going off the track. This goes for any
motorcycle roadrace game, when going off the track at speed there is
no way you're gonna lean much at all. You can steer some and brake
some but the drastic maneouvers this game allows is not real at all.
Again, this is Arcade mode so its is probably suppose to be that way.

I like how they made the controls rotate around the screen while
keeping the horizon level. Finally a game gets that right. :)

Hate to say it but no PC motorcycle race game has gotten it right yet.
I really wish someone would come out with a true cycle race sim. Maybe
sometime.

I'm not sure this game claims to be to be a sim but this Superbike
game is difinitely a step in the right direction but its no way done
properly.

Tony Long

Mike.
Suzi GSX600.

Graphics aren't everything. I guess you just
took my comments personal since it includes
your home track. As I stated in my original
post, I like the graphics; it's the only
thing that kept any interest I have alive.

Are you assuming that I've been abusing the
power throughout outrageous lean angles?
Sorry, I think you should reserve your
evaluations of my abilities until you have
seen them in action.

You're perfectly free to do what you want
with your money, as I am free to do what I
will with my money. If the game improves with
the final release, perhaps I'll reconsider.
However, most likely it will not. So I think
I'll be a little more careful with how I
spend my money. Sooner or later it'll be in
the discount rack, then I'll have to consider
whether or not I want to spend my hard drive
space for a game that only offers eye-candy.

Later...

Tony Long

As do I.  The physics model, in addition to the AI either makes or breaks a
racing game.

I took nothing personally.  Brands is an awesome track and I don't remember
you writing anything to the contrary.

That'll be difficult unless you buy it and participate in a multiplayer
session!

Of course you can spend your money on whatever you want, and for sure folks
such as myself who have an interest in other genres of game with titles such
as Quake Arena, Falcon 4 and GPL will be considering carefully where to
spend their hard-earned money.  I still think you're being a little harsh
though.

Mike.

I just downloaded all 28 mb of the SBK demo by *** Interactive and I'm
NOT impressed !

You only get to use the ARCADE mode in which you riding  on the bike where
you can see the tach, etc.. Using a TM GP1 wheel, the physics are
weird.....When you turn or lean over, it seems you are floating above the
track similar to the the 1960-70's TV series "the Flying Nun" Nevertheless,
the graphics are good and I honestly like racing a real track ( in the demo,
its Monza)....if we could combine the graphics and tracks of this Sim with
the bikes of Castrol Honda Superbike GP, we would have a great cycle racing
Sim !

Tim Deatherage

"Admitted Sim ***"

Do you get to wear the funny hat?

--

Neil Yeatman          
Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

    Where are the stoppies? Where is the countersteering? Where is the
headshake, throttle balance, tankslappers, highsides, lowsides, etc? It's obvious
that no asphalt-based motorcycle sim has ever tried to model the individual
traction state or weight-on-wheels conditions of each tire - something that auto
racing sims have done for quite some time now (among many other common
variables that auto sims have done and motorcycle games have ignored)

I realize that doing a motorcycle sim justice will be an excercise in imaginative
interface design, but it seems to me that the superbike/GP bike sim (as
opposed to arcade racer) is a genre waiting to happen.

Neil M.

(yes, I do own and ride sportbikes.)

Mike.